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Duty cycle of Lincoln buzz box

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Stan in Oly, WA

05-12-2005 12:54:31




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A couple of years ago I bought a Lincoln AC buzz box welder that was represented as being more than 15 years old.

Earlier this year I got to wondering whether it might be old enough to have copper windings, and also what the duty cycle was for each setting.

I e-mailed Lincoln Electric tech support with the info they required for them to get me the answers I wanted. They responded with bad news and worse news. The bad news was that the welder has aluminum windings; the really bad news was that the duty cycle is 20% at every setting.

I e-mailed again for clarification, thinking that my question must have been unclear. The support tech's answer was very clear, and he let me know that he had understood me the first time. Only the 70 amp setting had a higher duty cycle, he said. That's the setting which is circled on the face of the machine, and is supposedly the setting to use to thaw frozen pipes. He said the duty cycle for that was much higher, but I can't find the e-mail now, or remember it.

Can this be true? I thought that increasing duty cycle with decreasing amperage was a matter of physics, not a manufacturer's decision. Whether you're a Lincoln fan or a Miller fan, I don't think anyone would expect Lincoln's most widely sold welder to be technically inferior to an entry level Hobart, which I know to have a 100% duty cycle at a certain reduced amperage point.

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T_Bone

05-14-2005 04:15:06




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 Re: Duty cycle of Lincoln buzz box in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 05-12-2005 12:54:31  
Hi Stan,

I have a old Lincoln AC, CU wound that has a enternal thermo overload. That works well and the machine will weld very easy more than the rated 20% duty cycle before triping on the overload.

I bought a Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC for my son and it doesn't have a enternal overload plus AL windings. I would not want to push this machine like I would the old Lincoln.

With the way mfg's now have to be so careful it really doesn't supprise me Lincoln won't tell where 100% duty cycle is as the old CU wound machines would have a higher duty cycle than the newer AL wound machines.

T_Bone

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

05-13-2005 19:06:30




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 Re: Duty cycle of Lincoln buzz box in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 05-12-2005 12:54:31  
I have the orignal manula for my 225 and it syas the smae thing. I don't know if the 70 amp setting has a heavier winding, or what.



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nwb

05-13-2005 16:37:18




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 Re: Duty cycle of Lincoln buzz box in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 05-12-2005 12:54:31  
I have an old Lincoln welder with copper windings. I thought I really had something. Then someone explained the Duty Cycle to me and I was disappointed like you. 20 years later and with experience with different types of welders, I can honestly say it is one of the best I've ever used. As the others have said, don't worry about the Duty Cycle. You'll be ready for a break before that welder is.

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Tim...Ok

05-13-2005 10:25:48




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 Re: Duty cycle of Lincoln buzz box in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 05-12-2005 12:54:31  
I"ve got one of those lincoln 225"s.it"s what I learned how to weld on,I"ve used and abused it for almost 20 years,still haven"t found the need to pull the cover off of it..Don"t worry about the duty cycle on that machine,you ain"t gonna hurt it..It doesn"t get used much anymore,but it still sits over in the corner and works as good as the day it was new..



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JonM

05-12-2005 20:25:43




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 Re: Duty cycle of Lincoln buzz box in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 05-12-2005 12:54:31  
I have my dads lincoln 225 and use it alot, it is at least 20 years old, the book says 20% duty cycle, I have never had a problem with it kicking out, once the selector switch gave me a problem, and I had to take the machine apart to get to it, for the money they give a lot of performance.



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OK-AL

05-12-2005 13:28:41




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 Re: Duty cycle of Lincoln buzz box in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 05-12-2005 12:54:31  
I don't know why Lincoln didn't publish duty cycle ratings graphs for their older products, but they didn't.

But the bottom line is that you've got a good entry-level welder. Who cares if it's aluminum or copper wound? I've got an AC-225 welder that I bought new about 10 years ago and it's worked perfectly for me. Nice, strong, stable arc. Which is more than I can say for some other "crackerboxes" that i've used. Never had a problem with it. It has aluminum windings, too.

They're good welders for the money in my opinion.

OK-AL

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Missouri Boy

05-12-2005 14:58:05




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 Re: Duty cycle of Lincoln buzz box in reply to OK-AL, 05-12-2005 13:28:41  
When i worked in a welding fabrication shop we had several different kinds. The lincoln like you described would produce more work with 1/8 rods than the man could make it do. They were used all day every day and seemed to work from 4 to 5 years until the fan stopped running and then would last about another year. The most common thing to wear out was the heat selector switch. Best money maker in the shop. There were 10-12 operators and 12-15 machines

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