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oliverdave

05-12-2005 11:40:16




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I'm new to electric fenceing.I'm trying to keep goats in and they just keep running though it.I have a good ground all the wires are getting a good spark and I have three wires about 8" apart on small posts that are like re-bar.They are not jumping over the fence.What is happening is the one goat stands near the fence and then just runs though it. The other just go's up to the fence ,smells it, gets hit, panics, runs around screaming and then runs INTO to the fence gets tangled in it and rips half the fence down.I want to keep the fence so I can move it around.

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paul

05-15-2005 09:28:45




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 Re: new to electric fence in reply to oliverdave, 05-12-2005 11:40:16  
You need to train them.

Buy 4 cattle pannels, or some such sturdy fence. Make a small enclousure for them. Run an electric wire around the inside just inside the pannels. They will learn the fence hurts, and they _must_ back away from it.

Right now they don't understand, and panic, & run through it. they need to realize the fence hurts, and no way to cross it.

currently they are learning for a bit of pain, they will get freedom. You do _not_ want them to learn this lesson..... .

Once they learn to leave the fence alone - maybe a week - then you can use the portable stuff to keep them. I'd keep the small panel setup for penning up new folks, sick, working with them, etc. Any good livestock place needs a good sturdy small critter yard that will hold them, no question. Hard to depend on 3 wires.....

--->Paul

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Vince H

05-13-2005 11:29:39




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 Re: new to electric fence in reply to oliverdave, 05-12-2005 11:40:16  
From what it sounds like you only have 2 goats that you are trying to keep in a certain area. If it's only two goats why not just stake them out. You don't need a real heavy chain, a stake for each goat and a dog collar.



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Nolan

05-13-2005 04:01:45




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 Re: new to electric fence in reply to oliverdave, 05-12-2005 11:40:16  
Free standing wire isn't a good idea. The goats basically don't see it. Tape or rope is far better as the animals can clearly see it and figure out that that is what they need to stay away from. If you cannot afford the electric tape or rope, buy some flagging material and tie lots of ribbon streamers onto the wire to make it visible.

Don't know the breed of goat you're running, but I suspect your fence is low to them from your description, so they aren't really "getting it", if they do see it.

You tend to want something nose high so they see it and touch it with their nose, not their legs or chest. For if they make contact behind their eyes, they are inclined to bolt forward, and not back up.

It also helps to have a strand above their head that they can see. It creates a psychological barrier, particularly when combined with the zap on the nose. This top strand does not have to be electric to work, just something they can see.

Lastly, you need your fields to be interesting to goats, and what's on the other side of the fence to be non-interesting. A bald field with fencing up against brush is just begging goats to push through. Keep your fence line clear of brush, and keep some distance from it.

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RichZ

05-12-2005 19:52:22




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 Re: new to electric fence in reply to oliverdave, 05-12-2005 11:40:16  
I own a goat dairy, and obviously have many goats. I use 4 foot high Red Brand Non-Climb fence (I buy it at TSC, and it is held up with 6 foot T-posts) on all of my goat pens and pastures. I never use any electric fence for them, and have never had a goat jump a fence. Generally, if goats are treated well, a four foot fence will keep them in place without a hot wire.



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Pete7

05-12-2005 16:37:00




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 Re: new to electric fence in reply to oliverdave, 05-12-2005 11:40:16  
I use an electric fence to keep deer out of my growing fields, but the trick is to get them to fear the fence. To do that I smear a little peanut butter along parts of the fence when I first put it up. The deer go to the fence and sniff at the peanut butter and they get a good shock right on their wet nose. They learn real fast from that experience! Not sure if peanut butter itself would work with goats, but the idea is to teach them fast that the fence hurts so they stay away from it.

Pete

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Mattlt

05-13-2005 04:53:45




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 Re: new to electric fence in reply to Pete7, 05-12-2005 16:37:00  
Peanut butter...Brilliant idea! I have always just tied strips of white cloth to each strand of wire. That usually got the animals curious enough to go up and sniff.

I can't believe all the good stuff I learn on this site.



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Coldiron

05-12-2005 16:01:46




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 Re: new to electric fence in reply to oliverdave, 05-12-2005 11:40:16  
Oliver, If you want to ham string those goats into terror of that fence you might want to make it a 5 wire fence or more. Make the bottom hot, next GROUND, Third hot, Next GROUND and the top HOT. Drive a 6 foot galvanized ground rod every 100 ft along the fence and connect it to the wires dedicated to the grounding. At the power box for the grounding, put three 6` grounding (galv) rods in a triangle 10` apart. Connect them with 10 ga wire and grounding clamps. Have the grounding for the box at least 50 ft from any phone or electric lines or you will get line interference. This type of fencing is especially designed for arid environments but works even better in a moist climate. When those goats hit two of those wires at the same time they should get the full voltage of your fencer. It is also important that you have a stong fencer. I prefer at least 1 Joule for my fences. Anything less than 3000 volts just doesn`t get some animals attention. Lots of luck cause once a goat learns how to get out they are pretty hard to stop.

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RustyFarmall

05-12-2005 11:58:26




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 Re: new to electric fence in reply to oliverdave, 05-12-2005 11:40:16  
Sounds about right. I've seen the same thing happen with cattle and hogs. Somehow or other you've got to teach them that those shiny little wires bite! Until they know that it hurts, they will just go through it. Here's the good part, once they have learned the fence is to be respected, you can unplug the thing and they will still have a healthy respect for quite some time. If possible, put the goats in a pen with a solid fence, and string the electric fence along the inside of that fence. That way the goats will learn all about the electric fence and will not be able to escape. It does get frustrating, but give it enough time and the goats will stay where you put them.

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