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NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT

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FAT BOB

01-10-2001 13:15:48




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I HAVE A BROKEN STUD ON THE FRONT CULTIVATOR MOUNTING POINTS ON THE FRONT OF A JD MODEL A
AND ITS BROKEN OFF BELOW THE SURFACE
I READ WHAT YOU GUYS SAID ABOUT LEFTHAND DRILL BITS, SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN

BUT I'LL TELL YA, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT

HOW DO YOU DRILL OUT A BROKEN OFF EZ-OUT?




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FAT BOB ( EZ OUT OUT EAZY)

01-11-2001 13:45:37




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
WELL THE EZ OUT HAS BEEN REMOVED
BUT THE 1/2 STUD OR BOLT END IS STILL FIRMLY STUCK IN THE MASSIVE FRONT CASTING OF THE JD A
IT WAS PROBLY BROKEN OF 40 YEARS AGO AND LEFT
I WAS ABLE TO CRACK ENOUGH OF A CHUNK OFF THE EZ OUT USING THE CENTERPUNCH METHOD TO KIND OF DIG IT OUT CAUSE THE THING WAS TAPERED ONCE A FAIRLY LARGE CHUNCK BUSTED OFF IT CAME OUT.
NOW TO TRY AND HEAT UP THIS MASSIVE CASTING WITH AN AIRCRAFT SIZE OX/ACET TORCH IS NOT GOING TO BE A PICNIK SO MAYBE I WILL TRY TO USE A LEFT HAND DRILL JUST SMALLER THAN THE THREAD ID.

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rhud

01-11-2001 20:35:57




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 Re: Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB ( EZ OUT OUT EAZY), 01-11-2001 13:45:37  
i know all this has been covered before but. MSC and other industrial suppliers have drill bushings and drill guide sets that help hold the drill in the center of the bolt. its good for those of us that think we are holding the drill straight.



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Richard

01-10-2001 16:47:31




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
I'm going to tell you a secret but you must keep it to yourself!

Drill bits and easyouts. Take a small tip on your torch, heat the tool up nice and red, turn up the oxygen (not the cutting lever but just turn up the oxygen knob) until it starts to pop like a machine gun, each time it pops, it removes a good chunk of hardened tool. I have used this method dozens of times (even on engine blocks - rare ones) and it has never failed to work. I have to say, its not the best on your torch tip.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

01-11-2001 06:09:35




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 Re: Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to Richard, 01-10-2001 16:47:31  
Hello Richard,
Each time the torch backfires like that it is trying to push the mixed explosive gases back into the torch handle. I wouldn't do that even with check valves installed. Check valves won't stop a flame.
Steve



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BOB

01-10-2001 15:20:43




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
GET THEM GOGGLES OUT AND USER THEM



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Shopguy

01-10-2001 15:17:05




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
Sorry lads,misread,my method is for broken studs,not tools(but it does work)
shopguy



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Shopguy

01-10-2001 15:11:17




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
This works,but you need a vertical mill,never tryied a drill press but worth a try.Set up the piece in a vise and center drill the stud with the largest center drill you can that won't cut into the threads.Drill well into the lands.Shut off the machine and put in neutral.With-out moving your set-up,re-insert the drill into the hole(machine off).With presure on the feed wheel,turn the chuck in reverse by hand,the stud should follow.
lotsa luck
shopguy

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Neal

01-10-2001 14:48:22




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
I get more broken EZ outs and drill bits than I want in my shop (not from me but customers). I generally use a center cutting carbide end mill. I will on occasion use a carbide drill bit. I get most of these problem childs from the boat repair shops. I try to tell them to first tighten the bolt before trying to remove it but they don't listen. Oh well more money in my pocket!! Neal



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FAT BOB !!!THX GUYS!!

01-10-2001 14:41:17




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
THANKS GUYS
I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK
NOW I HAVE SOME THINGS TO TRY
IF ONE OF THESE WORKS IT WILL BE THE EQUIVALENT OF A FAT OLD FARMER GETTING A DATE WITH A SUPERMODEL



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Bill D

01-10-2001 14:15:45




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
When all else fails head for a machine shop that has a tap disentigrater or an edm machine



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MarkB

01-10-2001 14:07:18




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
If you have a die grinder with a carbide burr, you may be able to grind it out. I've never broken off an easy-out, but I did break off a drill bit in a bolt while trying to extract it. It was slow going, but the die grinder worked.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

01-10-2001 13:53:31




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
Well bob I'm probably going to scare you a bit but I have many customers who weld them out. One of them showed me how to do it years ago. I've got an electrode #2200 that has affinity to those type of hardened steels. Put a nut on it and weld it. If it's down in there too far to just set a nut on it and weld, then deposit a couple of "button" beads on it breaking the arc between deposits until the nut can be utilized. The electrode has a heavy slag that will flow out into the threads preventing weld metal from touching the threads. You'll need to get it into the flat position. 3/32" is the best size to use.
steve

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T_Bone

01-10-2001 13:34:29




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 Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to FAT BOB, 01-10-2001 13:15:48  
Hi Bob, Take a center punch and chip out the ez-out as they usually crack pretty easy because there extreamly a hard metal.

T_Bone



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rhudson

01-10-2001 17:02:55




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 Re: Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to T_Bone, 01-10-2001 13:34:29  
while you're chipping the easy-out, a small magnet like on a telescoping pickuptool will remove the small chips and make room to remove the darn thing. This works with broken taps also. we sometimes will soften the easy out, tap, broken center drill, etc. by heating and slowly cooling in ashes or lime (i don't think you should do that with your A). then drilling. if you fellows are familiar with lindsay publishing (lindsayblks.com/), they had plans for a shop made EDM to remove bolts, taps etc. it was pretty simple.

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rhudson correction

01-10-2001 19:51:06




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 Re: Re: Re: NO SUCH THING AS AN EZ-OUT in reply to rhudson, 01-10-2001 17:02:55  
that should be lindsaybks.com . sorry for the misinformation.



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