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Drilling for Helicoils

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ribbitt

05-10-2005 10:01:25




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Anyone have advice on how to drill out a large hole for a helicoil and avoid problems with the drill grabbing? I had to drill a cast iron housing to install a 5/8 helicoil about an inch deep and not too surprisingly had to be very careful to minimize drill digging in. I had to do this on the tractor with a hand drill, so feed rate was difficult to control. I got the job done finally, but it wasn"t fun. The helicoil drill bit is an odd size, but is pretty much a standard twist drill profile. Expensive, too, so I"d hate to booger it up.

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John Garner

05-12-2005 18:13:19




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 File this idea for future use in reply to ribbitt, 05-10-2005 10:01:25  
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ribbitt and Company --

Here's a heck of a clever way of guiding a drill and getting the drillmotor into a place where it would be pretty darn hard to hold by hand.

The long, multi-hole guidebar is very functional in that one particular application, but a much shorter single-hole guidebar would make a very handy tool for more general use.

The link is for what I think is the clearest picture, but there are three more and a written description of the problem and solution. Drop the "/_2001_retired_files/studs_from_hell_1.jpg" from the URL to get to the index.

John

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Bud in NC

05-11-2005 15:55:08




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 Re: Drilling for Helicoils in reply to ribbitt, 05-10-2005 10:01:25  
One other trick to keep in the "rat hole" is to drill through 3layers of emory cloth - doesn't really matter what grit. It keeps the drill from self-feeding while you're starting the larger hole and helps keep the drill bit from chipping - it's kinda like a shock absorber for a drill bit. (Technically, what it actually does is reduce the rake angle of the drill bit - without having re-grind the bit). Once the bit is fully engaged, you're on your own and a guide would be a great help but this trick will take most of the "beating" out of the process. It's cheap, too!

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Carol Martin

05-12-2005 05:14:04




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 Re: Drilling for Helicoils in reply to Bud in NC, 05-11-2005 15:55:08  
Hey Bud:
Can you explain a little more how to use the emory cloth trick when drilling holes..How large a piece of cloth? do you hold it from turning with the drill bit? layers folded or just stacked? Will sandpaper do same thing?

Thanks

Carol



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John Garner

05-12-2005 18:28:33




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 About that emery cloth in reply to Carol Martin, 05-12-2005 05:14:04  
Carol --

I've never used Bud's emery cloth trick personally, but I've heard of and seen two variants of the same idea. One version a single layer of "emery" cloth (in today's world the abrasive is probably aluminum oxide rather than emery, but the difference is inconsequential for this use). The piece of emery cloth only needs to be a bit bigger than the hole you're trying to drill . . . but too small a piece is hard to handle. The guy who showed me this trick used a two inch square of emery cloth torn from a roll, and let it turn with the drill.

The other variant I've seen is using several layers of plain cloth instead of the emery cloth. One guy I used to work with simply folded a wiping rag into quarters and drilled through it.

John

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ribbitt

05-11-2005 14:15:59




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 Re: Drilling for Helicoils in reply to ribbitt, 05-10-2005 10:01:25  
Thanks for the suggestions, everyone!



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John Garner

05-11-2005 12:56:32




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 A few thoughts in reply to ribbitt, 05-10-2005 10:01:25  
ribbitt --

Rule 1 is to use a mechanically-guided drillmotor whenever possible. Something as simple as a drill guide (a block of metal with a correctly-sized hole drill-pressed through) clamped to the work so that the hole in the block is in line with the should-be hole in the work makes the job MUCH easier.

Other thoughts include using a countersink to champher the stripped-out hole before drilling, grinding the drill to put a sharper point on it, rounding the sharp corners where the drill point intersects the margins (the OD of the drill) while being sure to maintain clearance behind the cutting edge, and "dubbing" the drill by stoning or grinding small flats on the cutting edges (where the flute surface intersects the point) to reduce the hook.

John

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Carol Martin

05-10-2005 12:59:20




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 Re: Drilling for Helicoils in reply to ribbitt, 05-10-2005 10:01:25  
Sounds like you might be working on a Farmall cub
drawbar mount.. Had same problem with mine the Helicoils work fine. I made a little guide from a piece of pipe and a plate screwed the plate to an ajacent hole and lined it up that way worked good for me..



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ribbitt

05-11-2005 14:13:43




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 Re: Drilling for Helicoils in reply to Carol Martin, 05-10-2005 12:59:20  
Carol, you nailed it!!! That"s exactly what I was doing!



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Carol Martin

05-11-2005 17:07:58




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 Re: Drilling for Helicoils in reply to ribbitt, 05-11-2005 14:13:43  
Hi: I have couple cubs and had same problem... with both of them.. Make sure you measure the new bolts for length and be sure they do not bottom in the holes. My Helicoils have held up just fine.. Fun little machines to work on.. have a regular cub and a Low-boy. The low-boy is Great for mowing on these missouri Side hills.. I struggled with hard stearing on my regular cub for the longest time till I found out the real Problem.. The holes in the front axle tube had worn egg shaped and allowed the spindles to tip back so they were no longer straight up and down. This is what made it so hard to stear.. If you have that problem let me know and I will explain how I fixed the holes..

Carol

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Bus Driver

05-11-2005 17:35:19




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 Re: Drilling for Helicoils in reply to Carol Martin, 05-11-2005 17:07:58  
My Cub had all the rear mount holes in bad shape. First I cleaned the holes full depth- two of them had some of the original cork compressed in place. I made a drill jig for the three hole pattern, a bit difficult to measure and layout, but definitely worth the effort. I had no hardened drill guides, so I used shaft collars welded to the 3/8" thick plate. I used two bolts in the best two holes on each side to hold the jig, drilled the third hole and installed the helicoil, the did the other two holes the same way. Great results.

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Bob

05-10-2005 12:52:00




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 Re: Drilling for Helicoils in reply to ribbitt, 05-10-2005 10:01:25  
Enlarge the hole one bit size at a time, in 1/64" increments.



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