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Portland Cement ?

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T_Bone

05-09-2005 03:40:24




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Hi Guys,

When does portland cement become unusable and effect final mix hardness to where it needs to be disposed of?

I have some bags I bought that has gathered enough moisture to become stiff, bag will stand upright on end by it's self.

If indeed it's history can it still be used for like concrete fence posts and such where maximum strength is not an issue?

T_Bone




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Stan Lewis

05-14-2005 00:41:04




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 Re: Portland Cement ? in reply to T_Bone, 05-09-2005 03:40:24  
Hi, T_Bone

I remembered something. If you put cement into 5 gal buckets w/lids, if stays good almost indefinitely. Whether it's worth the effort is a different matter.

I've travelled all over Arizona. It's my favorite state--for lots of reasons. One thing I've noticed is that no part of it is as cold and damp as the Puget Sound region. What will keep cement dry over a winter here should work okay there.

All the best, Stan

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T_Bone

05-17-2005 07:32:41




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 Re: Portland Cement ? in reply to Stan Lewis, 05-14-2005 00:41:04  
Thanks for the suggestion Stan. I'll try it and see what happens.

T_Bone



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Tim B

05-12-2005 10:07:19




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 Re: Portland Cement ? in reply to T_Bone, 05-09-2005 03:40:24  
TBone,

ON a few occasions (maybe several) I've been too lazy (and cheap) to run out and get new cement. I have broken up solid cement with a flat piece of iron, put it through fine screen and used it to mix motar. Never had any problems with it, though any sane person will realize it's not worth the trouble. I, on the other hand, have a sickness where I don't want to see anything go to waste. My wife makes fun of me because I am the only one she knows who picks his own trash!

Tim

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msb

05-09-2005 22:17:33




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 Re: Portland Cement ? in reply to T_Bone, 05-09-2005 03:40:24  
Cement goes through a chemical reaction when mixed with water.Kind of like Bondo.If it has had enough moisture present then the reaction will be pretty much complete.Minor amounts of water will cure minor parts of the cement.



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Stan in Oly, WA

05-11-2005 00:28:50




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 Re: Portland Cement ? in reply to msb, 05-09-2005 22:17:33  
Hi, T-Bone

Ive been an admirer of your vast knowledge and your generosity in sharing it for the several years Ive been reading this forum (of course, its no secret that practically everyone feels the same way about you.)

What Ive always done with questionable portland cement is use it to enrich my mix. For instance, if I'm mixing a 5 sack mix, Ill add another twenty percent of the old stuff. Then, I may have as good as a six sack mix but anyway (probably) no worse than the five sack mix the project calls for.

Im willing to live with my own mistakes, and Ive had plenty of opportunity to do so, but generally I wouldnt pass along a tip on something that 'seems' like it should work, or 'probably' wont make the situation worse. In this case, though, Im pretty confident. My concrete work has always been quite good, and my old projects have held up better than much of what I see around me everywhere, every day.

All the best, Stan

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T_Bone

05-12-2005 03:27:41




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 Re: Portland Cement ? in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 05-11-2005 00:28:50  
Glad I can help Stan.

Well guys I was thinking of storing cement in bulk for a couple years but my sack cement was gathering moister as time went by. And Arizona is supposed to be a dry climnate...lol

T_Bone



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Coloken

05-09-2005 05:50:17




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 Re: Portland Cement ? in reply to T_Bone, 05-09-2005 03:40:24  
My test was that if I could wack the lumps with the shovel and break them up, them I would use it. Throw out and chucks that don't powder up easy.



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lucasss

05-09-2005 05:42:34




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 Re: Portland Cement ? in reply to T_Bone, 05-09-2005 03:40:24  
if its still powder it should work. lucas



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JMS/MN

05-09-2005 09:58:09




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 Re: Portland Cement ? in reply to lucasss, 05-09-2005 05:42:34  
I've heard of people running it through a hammermill to break it up.



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