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OT: Blacktop paving prices?

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Midwest redneck

05-05-2005 02:26:41




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My employer wants to get our parking lot repaved. Our lot is a disaster, large pot holes and the pavement is so bad in most spots that it is just a bunch of cracked up chunks. We got a price of $44K for doing 38,000 sq. ft. That is with busting up the old stuff with a vibrotory compactor and staring over. Do any of you fellas know what asphalt goes for in your area I am in Michigan. The owners of my building think that is too expensive. (so what else is new)

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720Deere

05-06-2005 17:47:09




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 Re: OT: Blacktop paving prices? in reply to Midwest redneck, 05-05-2005 02:26:41  
Here's the deal. My company paves anything from small parking lots to 30 mile sections of I-95. Every job is a little different and pricing per sf, sy or ton is different accordingly. For 38,000 sf, to remove existing material and pave 3", you are looking at you are probably looking at close to $1 to $1.40/sf or $38,000 to $54,000. That does not include the undercut of any soft/yielding areas and refill with new stone. Another option is to simply fill in any potholes and overlay the existing lot. This would cost $0.33 to $0.50/sf per inch of overlay. The only problem with such a fix is that when paving over broken/cracked asphalt base, reflective cracking takes only 1 to 2 years per inch of overlay to come through. When the job is done with the first option, it may cost you upwards of $60,000 but will last something like 15 to 20 years without any major repairs. The simple overlay option will cost less than $20,000 but will only last less than 5 years before major repairs are necessary. Like many other things in life, it is the pay me know or pay me later theory. The only problem with the pay me later part is that inflation plays a major role in the future cost of maintenance/repair. The initial $20,000 investment will turn into more like $70,000 over the 15 years that the $60,000 job would last you. Also, after 15 to 20 years, the $60k job will only need minor patching and overlay where the $20k job will have had $45k in repairs and will still need another $30K to fix at that point.

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rockyhawaii

05-05-2005 21:28:02




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 Re: OT: Blacktop paving prices? in reply to Midwest redneck, 05-05-2005 02:26:41  
Years ago I worked for a driveway company. The boss turned away many jobs because people wanted to cut corners. You can lay a nice looking-driveway on poorly prepped ground, but it won't last. The bottom line is that if you pay cheap, you get cheap. A lot of outfits will bid low, then get you with overcharges like disposal fees, the ground wasn't right, etc. (excuses). Just go with whatever company did the nicest looking parking lot you can see and you won't regret it.

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thejdman01

05-05-2005 19:08:53




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 Re: OT: Blacktop paving prices? in reply to Midwest redneck, 05-05-2005 02:26:41  
the best best best job ive seen for cheap is crushed up road reclaimed black top even used some for own place no dust like gravel packs very well and very cheap. tar around the edge sealcoat the rest last along time dont need that good of a base for ti. makesure the base is good you may get it done for 20000 but if the base is shot and you it goes to pot in 2 years what did you save



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JerryU

05-05-2005 04:14:43




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 Re: OT: Blacktop paving prices? in reply to Midwest redneck, 05-05-2005 02:26:41  
It would be impossible to tell based on the information you have given. I work for a school district in SE Michigan and we pave a lot of parking lots. If you have not had it designed and bid, you are open for a lot of disappointment. There are a lot of good asphalt contractors out there and a lot will take you to the cleaners.

On paving jobs, what is underneath the asphalt is probably as or more important than the asphalt itself. If you don't have a solid base, the asphalt will move and crack. Secondly, you need to know what you are putting on the asphalt--cars, trucks, buses, or storage. That governs the thickness and type. Generally, asphalt is put in with two "lifts" of layers, the bottom being the base and the top being the wear. These can be several inches for the bottom and 1 or two for the top. As far as removal, what has become almost a standard is to mill or grind the top and spread it out and roll it as a base for the new layers (if you have the elevation).

The only way to really tell if the job you want is too expensive is to get several contractors to bid apples to apples paving with identical specifications. You also may want to talk about the what if when they take the old surface out they find soft spots--cost to bring in limestone to stabilize the base.

Finally, if you don't want to go through the specs and bidding--find out who some reputable contractors are that others have had experience with and stick with one. You may pay a little more, but in the asphalt paving, you generally get what you pay for. Beware of contractors that stop by your door with a truck and a 6 foot paver and offer you a good deal--guaranteed the job won't last.

FWIW,

JU

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Midwest redneck

05-05-2005 17:41:23




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 Re: OT: Blacktop paving prices? in reply to JerryU, 05-05-2005 04:14:43  
I have three quotes now, one guy provided references. The owners of my place are so cheap that they think that somehow someway they can get it for a lot less. I told one of the managers with a little distaste in my voice...I said "F*** it, just bust up the old stuff with the machine and bring in hundreds of yards of crushed limestone and roll it down with a machine and then spray tar over it....and presto half the price, but it looks like S***"

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