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O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices

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Ibby

05-03-2005 03:07:51




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I sold my bulk syrup yesterday. I got $1.20 / pound ($13.20/gallon) for grade B and $0.95/ pound $10.45/gallon) for Grade C. Does this sound right, fair and proper?




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Bshugarts

05-03-2005 16:18:35




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Ibby, 05-03-2005 03:07:51  
Syrup sale was saturday we got 13.75 per gal. for what we consider commercial grade. or 550.00 drum we made just over 400 gallons this year. more than prevous years but then we had about 800 more taps than before, mostly light syrup with some medium and no dark or buddy syrup.



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Ibby

05-04-2005 03:06:58




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Bshugarts, 05-03-2005 16:18:35  
You must have a good sized operation. I made 44 gallons from 220 taps, but we dumped buckets quite a few times when there wasn't enough to bother boiling, but was too warm to hold it over. It's always tempting to pull the taps when the sap turns dark, but the work of tapping, cutting wood and getting set up is already done, so why not boil it. The dark syrup does have some value, and it helps pay expenses.

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Vern-MI

05-03-2005 10:17:57




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Ibby, 05-03-2005 03:07:51  
And for those of you who like me didn't know.....

Pure maple syrup is graded according to Federal USDA regulations, and is based on both color and flavor. The grades are: US Grade A Light Amber, US Grade A Medium Amber, US Grade A Dark Amber, and US Grade B. Some states use a slightly different terminology, as does Canada, but the legal requirements for each grade are the same, regardless of what they are called. For example: Grade A Light Amber syrup is sometimes called Fancy Grade, and in Canada it is called No. 1 Extra Light.

Characteristics of each grade

Grade A Light Amber, is very light and has a mild, more delicate maple flavor. It is usually made earlier in the season when the weather is colder. This is the best grade for making maple candy and maple cream.

Grade A Medium Amber, is a bit darker, and has a bit more maple flavor. It is the most popular grade of table syrup, and is usually made after the sugaring season begins to warm, about mid-season.

Grade A Dark Amber, is darker yet, with a stronger maple flavor. It is usually made later in the season as the days get longer and warmer.

Grade B, sometimes called Cooking Syrup, is made late in the season, and is very dark, with a very strong maple flavor, as well as some caramel flavor. Although many people use this for table syrup; because of its strong flavor, it's often used for cooking, baking, and flavoring in special foods.

Which Grade is better?

All maple syrup grades are better than the artificial stuff. Otherwise it's strictly a matter of personal choice. Ask yourself (or someone else) these questions: Which is better, white wine or red wine? Which is better, light beer or dark beer? Beer can probably be compared most easily to the different maple syrup grades/flavors. A light Pilsner beer has a light color and delicate flavor, while a Stout or Porter has a very dark color and strong flavor. It's strictly a matter of personal choice, and there isn't one grade of maple syrup that is "better" than another.

What makes the different grades?

Maple producers have no control over which grade they make. As a rule of thumb, lighter syrup is made earlier in the season, and darker syrup is made later. But since we are dealing with Mother Nature in our business, anything can happen. Producers have seen years where 95% of the annual crop was light amber syrup, and some years yield almost no light syrup at all, when most of the crop is dark syrup. During the six-week maple production season, the weather goes from cold to warm as spring pushes aside the cold of winter. Additionally, the trees themselves undergo metabolic and chemical changes as they go from winter dormancy to springtime activity. The tree buds start to form towards the end of the sugaring season, about a month before they open up into small leaves. These changes cause differences in maple syrup flavor as the season progresses. Experiment with the different grades, and continue to buy what you like the best. Remember: There is nothing better than pure maple syrup.

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Ibby

05-04-2005 03:01:12




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Vern-MI, 05-03-2005 10:17:57  
Thanks Vern! - That's the best explaination of the different grades that I've seen. Where did you get that?



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Vern-MI

05-04-2005 04:08:06




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Ibby, 05-04-2005 03:01:12  
It was found on the web at the location listed below. It makes me hungry for maple syrup so now I have to go out and find some fresh made maple syrup.



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Matt from CT

05-03-2005 09:25:39




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Ibby, 05-03-2005 03:07:51  
Wonder if some of the price difference quoted is U.S. v. Canadian $



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Davidj

05-03-2005 07:14:48




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Ibby, 05-03-2005 03:07:51  
What I got last week from Delta Foods in Brockville Ont. was $1.20/lb for my "D" and $1.60/lb for my "C". "B" was $2.05 and "A" was $2.20/lb. Retail pays better but this is better"n a boot in the a$$. How"d the season go for everyone? I wound up with 45 gallons, 75 being a normal year.



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Ibby

05-04-2005 02:51:14




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Davidj, 05-03-2005 07:14:48  
Where-abouts are you? I sold to a buyer for Delta in NY, and got a LOT less. Even if you are in Canada, I still got took after you factor in the exchange rate. I understand the buyer needs to make a bit, but I got $0.42 less than you did after the exchange rate.

I never seem to tap the same number or have the same set-up 2 years in a row, so it's hard for me to compare. My per tap collection was quite a bit down, but the sugar content was higher (4% average) That real warm spell turned the syrup dark early, so I had more wholesale than usual. I should be able to sell all my Grade A retail.

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Davidj

05-04-2005 08:26:38




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Ibby, 05-04-2005 02:51:14  
I took the syrup there myself and they weigh it and grade it and dump it and steam out the barrels for you. The prices are in Canadian$ Might be worth it for you as you"re probably closer to Brockville than I am. It works out to 35 to 65% of retail price, depending on the grade.



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Harold Hubbard

05-03-2005 04:33:03




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Ibby, 05-03-2005 03:07:51  
I got $1.30 for B, and $1.00 for C, but I was expecting more than $1.85 for my Fancy. Prices seem to depend on regional production and demand for the various grades. The most profitable thing is to develope a wholesale or retail market for your own syrup, and sell as little as possible to the bulk buyers.



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T_Bone

05-03-2005 12:27:26




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to Harold Hubbard, 05-03-2005 04:33:03  
I want to thank you guys as I've been following this discussion since the first thread. It's always very interesting to hear how some of our food products are produced.

My curiousity peaked at the heat exchanger discussion. If someone could take some digital pictures at 100dpi of the exsisting process flow, maybe I can come up with a better exchanger design this summer. My e-mail addy is open.

T_Bone

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Ibby

05-04-2005 03:15:52




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to T_Bone, 05-03-2005 12:27:26  
Thanks T Bone! I'll see what I can find to send you.

I will be building a new set of pans this summer, and considering all sorts of options. A fire-tube type setup for the back pan looks promising, but the price of stainless is awful high to do too much experimenting.



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Slowpoke

05-04-2005 02:39:03




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to T_Bone, 05-03-2005 12:27:26  
Maple trees in AZ?



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jdemaris

05-03-2005 19:54:08




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to T_Bone, 05-03-2005 12:27:26  
The heck with the heat-exchanger redesign . . . if you want to come up with an improvement, invent a cheap reverse osmosis machine with cheap replacement membrane/filters - or perhaps some other way to get the water out of the sap BEFORE the boiling.



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T_Bone

05-05-2005 08:04:33




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to jdemaris, 05-03-2005 19:54:08  
Hi JD,

As I said send me some pictures so I can take a look to see just how your currently set-up. Pictures stop the 1000 questions that I need to ask to see what you guys are going thru as I've never seen tree taping or processing syrup other than on TV programs.

T_Bone



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jdemaris

05-05-2005 10:02:12




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to T_Bone, 05-05-2005 08:04:33  
As of yet, I haven't read all the posts that relate to this - so my context may be off a bit. I've been involved in syrup production one way or the other for over 40 years. I started out working in a sugar woods in northern Vermont where all was done with buckets and spigots, horses, a Deere crawler, and a tin Leader wood-fired evaporator. Things have changed a lot since then. As far as making many advancements in the evaporation process itself - there's a lot of reasearch being done by the major companies that build them - mostly in Qu�bec. I guess that's what competition is all about. Whenever a manufacturer can claim to have an improved evaporator, I guess the more they might sell. That's not to say that some guy working in his garage might invent something better - but, research IS being done at a high tech level - with private companies and universities. I try to keep up with it, much of the new stuff is experimental. Same goes with tree tapping itself. Methods of running lines, vacuum or non-vacuum, size of tap holes, safe size of tree, amount of taps per tree, ultraviolet sterilization of the sap before boiling, etc. changes all the time. Then there is the illegal stuff like stuffing formaldehyde in the trees. We used to do it years back, but not anymore around here. I think it is still done in a few places though. There are also the issues of counterfeit syrup. L.L. Bean got sued a few years ago because it ended up all the syrup they were selling was counterfeit and actually was made from South American bet sugar. So, I'm not sure what you'd want pictures off - you could read and look for a LONG time - there's a lot of high tech. info out there. For me, the major issue is getting much of the water out of the sap before boiling - especially with high fuel prices or labor involved using wood. Most high producers in my area take up to 70% of the water out of the sap before boiling - that saves a lot of time and fuel and usually results in clearer syrup. The price of commercially produced reverse osmosis machines is very expensive - partly because they cater to a specialty market - that of syrup producers, and also a worldwide market for clean drinking water consumers - which often uses the exact same technology. I have used a few home-made machines that work okay, but they still use the same commercially produced filter/membranes that cost a fortune. This is the sort of thing I'd like to experiment with since it doesn't seem to get the same level of attention as do the evaporators themselves.

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2x4

05-04-2005 01:26:50




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to jdemaris, 05-03-2005 19:54:08  
aren't you the same guy that suggested finding some way for the loggers to leave the treetops hanging til the logging was finished, then let them fall down?



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Dick L

05-05-2005 19:47:19




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to 2x4, 05-04-2005 01:26:50  
Now that was funny! I don"t care how many heads it flew over, it was funny. Of course zingin one over the heads makes it funnier yet.



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jdemaris

05-04-2005 06:20:42




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to 2x4, 05-04-2005 01:26:50  
It wasn't me, I don't know what the h*ll you're talking about - in regard to the treetops. I've seen treetops pulled out by helicopter in the Adirondacks, but that' not exactly what you are describing. In my experience, Newtons observed laws on gravity cause a slight problem when removing trees but leaving the tops. What I mentioned, as far as I can figure, has absolutely NOTHING to do with treetops. My point, was and is, if the guy wants to invent or improve something in regard to syrup production, I'd like to see an economical RO machine. I've used a few "homemade" units powered by pressure-washer pumps, but the membranes are still priced out of sight. A cost-effective method of taking out 60-70% of the water before boiling means more to me than a slight gain in the evaporation process.

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Ibby

05-04-2005 03:12:17




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 Re: O/T Maple Syrup Wholesale Prices in reply to 2x4, 05-04-2005 01:26:50  
What a bizzare concept. Twasn't me. I prefer to take the tops out with the rest and deal with them on the landing.



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