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O/T: Do KN air filter

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Big Swede

04-20-2005 19:01:42




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Do K&N air filters really increase the mileage of a vehicle. I have a '94 Ram 1500 with a 318 (5.2 L). I have heard that they will increase the mileage by 2 to 3 miles a gallon. Thanks for any replies.

Swede




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nitro

04-22-2005 14:15:39




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
Why all the debate over KN filters? Well i will tell you why. I guy walks in a auto parts store and complains that his truck doesnt have the power that it used to. The salesman then ask him if he has ever tried the k&n filter and then the guy goes home and takes out the oem filter that has Not been changed in 50,000 miles and puts the k&n filter in. Then after a test drive he notices a great differance in power and milage as a result he goes and braggs to all his friends and on these forums about what a GREAT filter K&N is. Not knowing that it was not the K&N filter but the fact that he finally changed that old dirty filter. How i know this is because that guy was ME! They sold me on that filter by showing me two filters hooked up to a pump and while the K&N filter does do a better job on the little test they showed me there was one thing that they did not show and that was the K&N filter was DRY! and i latter found that once you oil it it doesnt do any better than the oem filter. And also if you where to change that oem out as much as they recomend you to clean the K&N you will be better off. There's a lot of great advice on this forum and i think that most of us will agree, just stick with oem and change it more often..Like one guy said before {if the K&N filter did what it said why havent the auto makers done it?} Shurely if it worked and they COULD get 2-3 more MPG and a few more HP All the auto makers would jump on it to sell more cars. Good Day.

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Engineer20

04-22-2005 05:44:47




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
You also have to keep in mind that you are going to be sucking in hot under hood air as opposed to the snorkel factory setup that sucks in fresh air. For every 10 degrees in temp. rise there is a 1hp drop!



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Nolan

04-22-2005 03:53:29




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
A K&N filter will only increase air flow and mileage if the oem type filter is extremely restrictive. The more restrictive the oem unit is, the better improvement one will see with a K&N. Modern oem air filter systems are very rarely restrictive.

K&N filters operate differently than a paper filter. A visual comparison isn't very meaningfull as a result. This is exploited by competitors.



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Jason Fabain

04-21-2005 20:58:03




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
On my Trucks and Dirtbikes I refuse to run a K&N style filter. Same thing with all of my friends with thier ATV's and also a whip-smart engine builder I know. I am going to quote him here, I got this from an arguement (about air filters!! LOL) that got out of hand on another webstite. "Even if you live in a cave with a light bulb you can do this test. Just screw a good lightbulb into the socket and use the string hanging down. After you pull the string and the light comes on, Hold up the K&N to the bulb. Make note of how much light you see. Now hold up a Uni. The one that shows more light flows more dirt."

Simple as that. A dirty K&N will filter air better that a clean one and also out-flow a dirty paper element filter. But once a K&N is dirty, you have already done the damage and the filter is no longer performing as it should and now needs to be cleaned again. Repeat cycle....

I will run a K&N on my streetbike and on a drag/high HP car. Maybe even on my vehicle if I lived in a city, but not on any vehicle that I plan on getting near dirt. My dirtbikes get a Foam element filter (a Uni) that gets oiled and I am going to put a similar style on my truck even if I have to make one.

As to over oiling.... You can over oil a K&N style filter. What happens is your going to end up with that oil down your intack tract and right into your Throttle Body/Intake. Shouldnt do any damage , but it might gumm up carbs abit.

I can go on about this subject until the end of time. There are some folks who swear by K&N style filters and those (like me) who dont feel to good about them. I won't even run one with an Outerwear. That defeats the purpose of having a K&N in my eyes and therefor why bother!!??? I'll stick with my Foam (Uni's) Thank You.

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thejdman01

04-21-2005 18:35:40




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
96gmc k2500 6.5 diesel no but honestly can hear the turbo whistle and spool up more.



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David B

04-21-2005 17:37:21




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
I put one on my 95 F150 about 2000 miles ago. I haven"t really noticed a large increase in MPG, but right now it seems to be doing better. What I have noticed is that with the K&N it does run better; the footfeed is more responsive and sensitive. I would do it on anything now, I really like it.



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Ludwig

04-21-2005 08:47:54




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
I haven't googled it (might be a good idea) but what I've read from this and many other forums is that they generally do increase power and economy slightly, but at the cost of letting more dirt into the engine.
Not that the small amount of added dirt is definately the end of the world. I had one on my Dakota for about 80,000 miles until I got to lazy to clean it. That truck has 160,000+ and still runs great so I'm not sure that the added dirt has really hurt anything.

Another thing you might consider for 1-2mpg is an MSD ignition system but it'll cost alot more $$ than a K&N. I priced it about 3 years ago at just over $300 to get the new coil and controller system plus their special plug wires.
Whatever you do DON'T use Splitfire plugs, I had nothing but heartache with those, made my truck run like crap, replaced them with $0.99 autolites (or whatevers on sale) and things are better.

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MAC,IL

04-21-2005 06:17:14




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
Over rated. Ever wonder why the auto industry dont use them on new vehicles? 2 or 3 MPH increase would be a good selling point. I am a stickler for OEM parts.



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Redmud

04-21-2005 05:43:12




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
I don't like the idea of a filter, that you spray oil on to stop dirt and sand from going into the engine. If dirt will pass thru the filter when it's dry, then spraying it with oil will only slow the dirt down a tad. And dirt mixed with oil, will do as much damage as your non oiled kind.



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Jon H

04-21-2005 11:16:29




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Redmud, 04-21-2005 05:43:12  
I have had a serious grudge against oil wetted filters ever since I destroyed a good engine with one of those amzoil "lifetime" oil wetted filters. Notice even the lowly $70 Briggs lawn mower engine has dumped the oiled foam filter in favor of dry pleated paper air filters. I recently got a used truck with an K&N filter in it. I asked for opinions of them on another site,some thought they were OK,but overstate the mpg and power gain. Another said he would never consider one for anything that works in the dirt like a farm pickup. One fellow said,hold a trouble light inside that K&N filter and look at the size of the holes in the thing. One look was all I needed,the K&N went on the shelf,and a stock paper filter went on the truck.

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dr.sportster

04-21-2005 05:08:38




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
It may depend how much K&N filter oil you squirt on it.Its advantage is probably that its cleanable[is that a word?] I always thought with a good oiling they became a little restrictive.I have only used small ones on bikes.I dont really like the idea of a big one on a truck.They do catch some dirt but Im the type to run a velocity stack and dont care about dirt .



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Weirsdale George

04-21-2005 07:04:18




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to dr.sportster, 04-21-2005 05:08:38  
I have heard that if you use too much of the filter coating oil, it will get drawn off in the air flow and mess up the air flow sensor downstream.



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dr.sportster

04-21-2005 07:48:59




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Weirsdale George, 04-21-2005 07:04:18  
Mines on a 1969 Sportster so no air sensor.I own it because it came with the Mikuni racing carb kit I installed.But I was just cleaning it two days ago thinking how stupid it is to spray oil on an air cleaner when the amount of oil can affect air/fuel mix.Id swear when it gets dirty the motor runs too rich.I cant even change to a foam filter because the K&N filter supports the air cleaner cover.Anything that makes kickstarting harder is also bad.

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Ludwig

04-21-2005 08:28:02




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to dr.sportster, 04-21-2005 07:48:59  
Ummm, of course when it gets diry it runs too rich. Anything that restricts air intake into a carb will make the mixture go rich...



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dr.sportster

04-21-2005 08:42:10




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Ludwig, 04-21-2005 08:28:02  
What if the restriction is the vanes of a supercharger.Or as your favorite manufacturer would call it a KOMPRESSOR.Hey Ludwig if you remember our last discussion about my 77GMC[worlds greatest vehicle maker that GM]although it runs good,tranny good its now too rusted to pass inspection or continue driving.I am heartbroken.



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Ludwig

04-21-2005 11:04:59




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to dr.sportster, 04-21-2005 08:42:10  
The vanes of a supercharger? Like a supercharger not spinning?
Since a supercharger spins all the time I can't see it being a restriction, its whole purpose is to pump more air in there and lean the mixture.

I imagine that getting a carb setup correctly thoughout its full range of operation(idle through WOT) with a supercharger is a bit of a challenge.

Sorry to hear about your GMC, my Uncle Reg had a '76 Chevy that was a great truck but rusted BAD. He had the cab corners welded up and the cab went right on rusting around the patches. Had the bed and doors replaced with nicer ones off a '77 GMC from Florida and those rusted out too.
That was a good woods truck though first truck I ever drove to go hunting. Probably the third day I ever drove for Reg we got bogged down bad in a hole and I tore off both exhausts thrashing around but we got out. Reg was great, he just laughed and we went and got new exhausts put on. We saw lots of deer sign in that area so we went back the next day and he shot a big buck. On the way out we slid (literally) into the same big hole. This time I only tore the mufflers off (I guess the old pipes were weak). Reg said it was all worth it for that deer.

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T_Bone

04-20-2005 20:26:56




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
Hi BS,

They did a air filter test for CFM on the 7.3 PSD and K&N did NOT flow more cfm than the stock Motorcraft filter, about 100cfm less. They didn't do any dirt particle testing. Gayle Banks was involved in the testing so it probably was legit.

The below link is a eye opener for several air filters used on the Dmax. Again K&N preformed poorly comparred to other air filters.

Also consider that if a air filter flows more CFM than a stock filter, it most likely will flow more dirt past the filter.

If you want better mileage then control the right foot as that will get you a mileage increase more than anything. Jack rabbit starts and speed above 60mph eats alot of fuel. Most engines are designed for maximum fuel ecomony at 45mph tops.

T_Bone

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e

04-21-2005 10:25:22




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to T_Bone, 04-20-2005 20:26:56  
Everyone should look at this before buying a K&N. This is a nice summary of how rotten their filters are. Not only are they low efficiency, but the capacity is second rate.

The question I want to ask to the people who claim milage increases is how dirty was the filter you replaced w/ the K&N? If a person had a plugged filter and replaced it with a new one, milage and performance would also go up accordingly.

E

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Ron in Nebr

04-21-2005 08:10:19




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to T_Bone, 04-20-2005 20:26:56  
The same race engine builder who mentioned the increased wear from a K&N also did alot of dyno testing. He used a chassis dyno and tested a car with a clean, fresh-oiled K&N, and said there WAS a slight HP increase over paper. But he also tested a car just as it came off the track after a 100 lap race. The oil on the filter had made the dust and dirt stick to the element, and caused enough flow restriction to kill 50 horsepower!!! Of course, this was on an 800HP engine that had been run on a very dusty track. A typical street vehicle wouldn't lose nearly that much power and it would take longer for it to happen. But the test just shows that, like the engine builder claims, the only good thing K&N has going for it is that they have a huge advertising budget to get people to buy their products.

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Ron in Nebr

04-20-2005 20:25:05




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
K&N filters do improve performance, and they do that by flowing more air. They do that by not filtering out the very fine materials that a paper filter does. So, they're fine on a highway-driven vehicle, but if you operate in dusty conditions you'll let alot more crud into your engine. An engine builder I know who builds motors for dirt track stock cars says when he tears and engine down for a rebuild he can always tell what kind of air filter that was used. The K&N engines have LOTS more cylinder wear.

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Dean Barker

04-20-2005 21:29:24




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Ron in Nebr, 04-20-2005 20:25:05  
That must be why K&N will not say what the filtering efficiency is. Must not be very good. Why not save the cost of the K&N and run with no filter?



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Ron in N. AZ

04-20-2005 20:03:17




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
I put one on my wifes Ford Windstar Van with 3.8L 6 cyclinder last years. I got 2 - 3 mpg improvement and much better performance. Van has little more pick up and go than with stock air filter.



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Coldiron

04-20-2005 19:58:18




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
We put the K&N on our 97 Dodge Ram Diesel and it improved performance quite a bit. The guy that sold it to us was going to show us one on a Caddy that was getting an oil change. Despite the stickers on the air cleaner warning of a K&N filter it had been replaced by a Fram filter. Some lucky person at a garage or oil change place has themselves the K&N that went on the Caddy. The lady that owned the Caddy was not happy at all. They are pricy but even more so if someone walks away with it. Check it after any one other than yourself has been under your hood.

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Charles (in GA)

04-20-2005 19:26:41




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 Re: O/T: Do KN air filter in reply to Big Swede, 04-20-2005 19:01:42  
I installed one on my 2.3L 4 cyl Ranger. I saw about 1 mpg increase, measured over many tankfulls of gas, compared to a several month average before installing it. On a bigger engine it could do somewhat better.

Biggest hassle, they have to be cleaned. To do this you buy a $10 kit with cleaner and oil and grease for the gasket. After washing it with cleaner and dishwashing degt and such, you have to let it air dry, DO NOT BLOW IT DRY, and do not force it dry with a hair dryer or such. The cotton will shrink excessively and blowing it with compressed air will damage it.

So here you sit, for a couple of hours or more while the filter dries out, Some people I know have two filters, they swap them, clean and oil the removed one, and plastic bag it for the next change. Kinda expensive though.

Charles

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