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RichardPA

04-13-2005 12:33:56




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I have a sun dial with a brass top on it. It is all tarnished from sitting out for years. Anybody have a good way to clean it up? I tried a polish from the Home Depot but didn't work very well at all. Thank you.




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davefr

04-16-2005 16:42:58




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
I've spent 100's of hours polishing brass. Here's the "right" way to do it.

1. If it's been previously coated you need to remove the coating or you'll end up waisting a lot of time with cleaners or polish. Use Acetone or Berrymans Chem Dip.

2. Now you want to remove the tarnish. I like to use a blend of Nitric and Phosphoric acid. (about 25/75).

If you don't want to hunt down these acids just look for toilet/bathroom cleaners with phosphoric acid as the active ingredient. It'll work slower but it's effective.

3. Now you can start the buffing process. Use tripoli for cutting and red rouge the final coloring. I like to buff with 8" wheels on a 1800 rpm Baldor buffer. (you can also do your coloring with Green Stainless compound).

Try to buff in only one direction. You'll come closer to getting a mirror shine.

4. Now clean the item with a microfiber cloth to remove any residue.

5. The final step is to apply a coating if you want to preserve the shine. Use Nikkolas clear coat laquer and make sure it's the formula with UV protection. Nikkolas is has been making the best laquer for years for musical instruments.

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Bernoulli

04-16-2005 10:06:39




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
I start with Bar Keepers Friend (from the local grocery store - for heavy tarnish) and polish with Flitz (www). I have set up an electric motor with a chuck that I attach a Flitz microfiber polishing wheel. The Flitz finish lasts well.



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Cliff (VA)

04-14-2005 18:20:07




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
My wife is queen of the Ebay chandelier. We are building a house and she has been buying tarnished brass chandeliers and sconces for over a year. At last count we were up to 18.

We take them apart and use a muslin wheel with tripoli and then polish on a second wheel with white rouge. Mine came from Woodcraft and McMaster Carr, but I think Lowes carries these items. I wore out my Baldor grinder and built a polisher from a mandrel and an old motor. Makes a mess, but boy does it shine when you are done.

You need to wash it good, dry it, and coat it with lacquer (I use Deft high gloss).

This may be too much shine for a sundial, but I couldn't help but comment.

Cliff (VA)

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Cliff (VA)

04-14-2005 18:23:34




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to Cliff (VA), 04-14-2005 18:20:07  
I forgot to mention... most brass is already coated with lacquer. It can and will eventually tarnish under the lacquer. You may need to strip it with lacquer thinner in order to get to the tarnish. I find this necessary on almost everything we get.

Cliff (VA)



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idontno

04-14-2005 07:02:35




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
VInegar....Can't believe someone didn't suggest it.Mix salt with vinegar.I use 4-5 tablespoon full per quart.Soak it,or apply it to your surface and keep it wet.It don't take long.Might us a stiff brush to get into the cracks and and tight spots.I'm cleaning rainbird sprinklers now.Just drop them and rinse after about 1 hr.If you want to keep it pretty just clear coat it after you rinse it very good..... idontno

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jeffcat

04-13-2005 21:52:54




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
Used Duraglit when I was in Military school and did a lOT of polishin. I load my own for Hi-Power shooting and there is a product called TSI 400 ammo brass cleaner. American gas & chemical co. 230 Pegasus Ave. Northvale, NJ.
They sell this stuff at gun shows and it works fantastic! Mix it by the directions and use it correctly. If you use too much the brass will turn pink and that means you stripped the tin out of your metal. A big no no with brass for ammo. Amonnia will make brass brittle and will not show up for a long time , till it just snaps!
I use a Brillo pad for lite tarnish and it also leaves a protector coat. Give a Brillo a shot first. If you do just the top surface of the letters it looks cool. On the net look up shootersolutions.com . This is the guy who did the gun shows. Nice guy and greaat products. The wood finish is slick stuff too. I have fixed scratches in furniture and gun stocks. Jeffcat

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RichardPA

04-13-2005 19:58:24




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
Thanks everybody for the suggestions. I'll work my way down through and give them a try. I appreciate your help.



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Davis In SC

04-13-2005 19:31:50




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
Seems a shame to take of the Verdigris...We have a Revolutionary war hero statue here, It is a nice crusty green. I remember once , many years ago, there was talk of cleaning it & covering it in laquer, that idea got dropped in a hurry.....



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T_Bone

04-13-2005 17:30:51




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
Hi Richard,

I use amonia for cleaning brass antique clock works to a brite yellow natural finish. This works well if your brass has a good quality of zinc content. Brass is a mixture of copper and zinc or about 30% zinc for high grade brass.

You might want to try a small corner or under the dial first to see what color/cleaning change you get.

Rinse with clean water.

T_Bone



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AZ Jack

04-13-2005 20:59:02




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to T_Bone, 04-13-2005 17:30:51  
Liquid toilet bowel cleaner also works well on brass or copper. T-bone-I assume you dismantle your clock works before using ammonia? The only time I tried it I dunked the whole assembly and believe me it has a devastating effect on main springs. They seem to be bimetal and somehow it gets in the metal and runs hairline cracks in all directions.



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T_Bone

04-14-2005 13:48:36




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to AZ Jack, 04-13-2005 20:59:02  
Hi Jack,

Yes I do as the pivots and bearing doesn't clean well without taking them apart leaving behind gum deposits that slows the gear train down, or the reason they needed cleaned.

If you boil ammonia and condense the vapor you have nitric acid, very corssive to carbon steel.

T_Bone



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Jake 2

04-13-2005 14:11:30




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
Get some cheap Ketsup , soak it well. Tomato juice will also do a decent job. Then hose it off well. The acid disolves the oxidation.



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MAC,IL

04-13-2005 14:04:46




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
I have used dupont car "polishing" compound and a buffer and it worked OK for me. If its really bad, just try some rubbing compound instead.



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Coldiron

04-13-2005 13:17:24




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
Met All Brass and Copper Polish is the best I have ever used. It seems to have a protective coat that stays on after the polishing is over. It is very high quality for high quality items you don`t want scratched and want to retain a high gloss on. Do a net search for it.



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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

04-13-2005 13:58:09




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to Coldiron, 04-13-2005 13:17:24  
DuraGlit

It's a wadding with the cleaning compound in it. Wipe it on, buff it off. Worked GREAT for me 'n' a whole BUNCH of USMC recruits....

HTH
Steve



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Galen

04-13-2005 17:55:54




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to Steve (Magnolia, TX), 04-13-2005 13:58:09  
Or never-dull - same kind of wading. Semper Fi!



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Maine Fordson

04-13-2005 12:49:59




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 Re: Polishing Brass in reply to RichardPA, 04-13-2005 12:33:56  
Richard:

If it's been sitting out for years, it's got a heavy layer of oxidation on it, and it's going to take quite a bit of effort to wear down through that. Usually when I go to polish a brass/copper item that's heavily oxidized, I start out with some fine steel wool (coarser to start with if there's heavy corrosion, i.e., rough green patches), then switch to Twinkle copper cleaner (I buy it at the grocery store) and an old kitchen sponge and work with that until the metal starts to show light coloring. Once I'm at that point, I use Simichrome metal polish or DuPont chrome polish and an old terry washcloth or piece of towel, and then to put the final mirror finish on, I use Nevr-Dull Magic Wadding (we used it when I was in the Navy to do all of the brightwork) and buff well with a clean piece of an old T-shirt. Make sure you buff all of the Nevr-Dull residue off, 'cause the chemical reacts with water and will leave dark spots.

If the surface of your sundial isn't smooth (i.e., a high-relief casting), you may want to try a cloth buffing wheel and some jeweler's rouge -- might make it easier to get into the nooks and crannies.

One final thought: Some folks like the aged look, and simply allow their brass to acquire a verdigris patina. (Sounds like you're not one of them, though, so try some of the above suggestions).

You may also want to consider applying a layer of protective lacquer to prevent rapid re-tarnishing. I believe that Home Depot keeps this in stock, as well.

Just my 2� worth; hope it helps.

-- Maine Fordson

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