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KEG

04-06-2005 07:04:44




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Bought a long abandoned farm two years ago and am slowly clearing the old fields to get them back into production. Found out last summer that I am very allergic to ground hornets. Also found out that they have nests all over the area. How can I get rid of them when I find a nest???

Tried putting a big rock over the hole but it only works in hard soil areas and most of my ground is very sandy so they just dig out a new hole. Don"t want to put any toxic chemicals down the hole. And don"t have access to water to drown them out.

Now that I have ruled out my most obvious choices, what do you all suggest? Any old family recipes?

Thanks for any help or ideas.

KEG

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kyhayman

04-08-2005 20:18:45




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to KEG, 04-06-2005 07:04:44  
One of the first things I noticed when I stopped spraying insecticide on crops was the massive increase in bumble bees in the fields. While I not allergic I am definitely phobic of them. I carry a sprayer with me with some permethrin (Pounce is the flavor I use) in it. Its even labelled for milk room fly control so pretty safe stuff for humans. Rarely get any repeat offenders.



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IaGuy

04-07-2005 15:56:51




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 Sevin dust natural poison in reply to KEG, 04-06-2005 07:04:44  
I had bees in the cracked foundation wall, waited til after dark and "foamed the crack shut" only to have them bore their way out. Iowa State University folks said to spread Sevin dust (I think it is the same as Don LC used in his earlier post) around the entrance to let them track it into the nest. Result no bees! And a good feeling that I wasn't polluting the ground water. It claims to be a "natural" product. Getting stung isn't a losing game of action or wits if you are allergic....the buggers seem to go out their way towards my wife even if I disturbed them. She goes into a shock and can't breathe, so we keep an E-pen handy always FWIW.

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Steve Crum

04-06-2005 20:26:26




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to KEG, 04-06-2005 07:04:44  
I tore open a nest years ago along the road with my John Deere H and #5 mower. When I saw the "black cloud" come out of the ground, I knew what happened. I am mildly allergic to bee stings so I grabbed the clutch handle back and pulled the throttle down to the stop and ran like h**l. Only got stung twice (Albuteral athsma inhaler to the rescue).
That old H sat there almost three hours slugging away at about 200 rpms with bees buzzin all around it. Wife asked what if somebody tries to steal the tractor? I stated it would be fun to watch! Anyway along about midnight I pulled up there with the spiffy propane weed burner torch I had never found a use for until then. Musta looked like Rambo when I "neutralized" the nest! Dumped a couple gallons of gas in the H (ran out amusing the bees) fired it up and drove it down to the shop. Cautiously meandered back up and got the truck.

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youngster

04-06-2005 17:45:33




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to KEG, 04-06-2005 07:04:44  
we alwasy took a nice sized coffe can bout 3/4 filled with gas poured most of it in the hole then put a rag in the hole then dump the rest and light it up. never had any problems with them comin back



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Farmall Teen

04-06-2005 16:20:15




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to KEG, 04-06-2005 07:04:44  
Just wait till night, then pour gas in quick. Then drop a match and run. It takes a few times to kill all of them.



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Next time........

04-07-2005 20:50:31




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to Farmall Teen, 04-06-2005 16:20:15  
forget the match.Just pour gas in the hole.This method gets them all the first time.



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Bill in NorthCentral PA

04-06-2005 10:35:05




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to KEG, 04-06-2005 07:04:44  
I back over the hole with a running bush hog and let them fly out of the hole into the blades. It usually takes two times to iradicate all of them.

Good Luck

Bill



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Don L C

04-06-2005 09:40:58




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to KEG, 04-06-2005 07:04:44  
I had a patch of them about 10ft. around....like you I tried every thing ...I came across a bag of "7" powder for use,for dusting the gardern...I waited until evening, they were all at home...Using a broom I sweep the holes shut.....put down a heavy coat of 7 ....the next day they dug them selfs out through the 7 ....as bees do they went back into the nest and licked them selfs clean.....also killed the entire nest.....

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CR

04-06-2005 09:32:12




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to KEG, 04-06-2005 07:04:44  
When i find a nest I wait untill after dark and then pour a large pot of boiling water on it. Kills em quick and no residue to screw anything.

CR



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David - OR

04-06-2005 09:20:16




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to KEG, 04-06-2005 07:04:44  
The "old family recipe" is a cupful of gasoline down the hole, and then cover the hole with a clear glass bowl. Do this at night after dark. The clear bowl tends to stop the survivors from making a new exit hole -- they get confused by the light that shines in and keep trying to escape out the bowl.

The gasoline probably leaves more toxic residue in the soil than spraying purpose made wasp/hornet spray, which will do the job with less volume of material. You really ought to consider these "evil chemicals" if you want to eradicate a particular nest.

Ground dwelling bees won't bother you if you don't swat at them and don't stand right on their hole. The "organic" solution to bee stings is to just ignore the bees. I see so many people (my wife included) that get themselves stung because they swat at the bee, run away from it, or make some other sudden movement. Just let it land on you if it wants to, it will fly away of its own accord.

Once you start using the property, I suspect the bees will move from the holes in the ground into your buildings, equipment, etc. (If you till the soil, you will more than likely drive them to move, as the soil won't be firm enough to build nests.)

This becomes more problematic because you will find yourself disturbing their nests by accident. Opening a seldom-used slighting door, climbing onto a tractor or truck that's been parked for a couple of weeks, those are the times that I get stung. Fortunately for me, I'm not allergic, though the stings still definitely hurt.

See if your doctor will write you a prescription for a steroid inhaler, or some other emergency first aid relief for bee stings. You won't be able to wipe out all the bees, and you will get stung if you work the property.

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hay

04-06-2005 08:55:00




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to KEG, 04-06-2005 07:04:44  
i had some of them lil buggers get after me, so i waited until late evening when they all calmed down and went into their nest and then i flooded the entrance with diesel and that solved that problem quick.



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lucasss

04-06-2005 09:21:06




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to hay, 04-06-2005 08:55:00  
i wait till dark and pour gas in the hole. if you have a hanging nest, i wait till night and put some gas in a plastic garden sprayer and spray it into the hole in the nest. lucas



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830RSGUY

04-06-2005 09:38:13




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 Re: OT - getting rid of Ground Hornets in reply to lucasss, 04-06-2005 09:21:06  
I use the clear liquid tire shine product called "black magic". It will drop wasp instantly. It is much less toxic (to humans) and cheaper than pesticides.



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