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Old Table saw...what would you do

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Midwest redneck

04-04-2005 16:18:33




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I am cleaning out my garage and I am getting a 10yd dumpster tomorrow. I have an old Monkey wards table saw that my grandfather gave me 12 years ago. Well my grandfather died 7 years ago and the saw died 4 years ago. Should I throw the saw out, its worth maybe $50 even if I got a new motor for it. The saw does have some sentimental value but....I want the garage cleaned up. What would you do if you were me?

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Big Jim

04-06-2005 03:11:14




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
My father-in-law is retired and he has his dad"s joiner in his workshop. He remembers cutting his fingers with it when he was 12. It does take 2 men and a boy to move but that is the point. It does not flex, move, or distort. Every cut is exactly. He is looking for an old table saw that"s built the same way. I"ve got a nice, new 10" with a folding stand. It is easy to store and tote around but I"ll never be building furniture with it. It just can"t be that accurate.

Keep the old one or sell it to someone who will appreciate it. DO NOT send it to the dump.

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FV

04-05-2005 08:51:11




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
I have an old table saw passed down from the turn of the 1800's to the 1900's. It has grease cups and is made like an "I" beam. I've salvaged old wash machine motors to power it(belt drive).I would not trade it for the world.It has provisions for dadoes, I wish I could find some to fit. Sounds like your's is a keeper.



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Bernoulli

04-05-2005 20:25:09




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to FV, 04-05-2005 08:51:11  
A saw sharpening shop should be able to adapt any dado set to your saw.



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Bill WI

04-05-2005 07:25:02




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
If it's a belt drive, give it to me and you won't have to worry about it. lol Just kidding, but I'd keep it.



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Galen

04-05-2005 06:31:57




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
I'd see if you can get a new motor (check an apliance shop, they may have a line on one). I've got two of the cheap $100 C-man saws. They work ok (especially if you need to take them somewhere), but the older saws were heavier duty, usually more acurate, solid saws. The fences were usually a lot better, too. I have been looking for an old "tank" for awhilt now - to stay in my shop. You can still find 8" blades - they are a common size, some new saws are 8".

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youngster

04-04-2005 19:53:33




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
I can only tell ya what ive learned with my experience. the old table saws take two men and a boy to move around. then when yoru rippin something they bind up and such all the time and stall out. two years ago my father old table saw burnt up, not the motor mind you but a pulley, he went out and bought a hundred dollar craftsman model and was tickled pink. one guy can pick it up and take it up a flight of steps no problem, and it cuts like a dream. he said he should went and bought one years ago. then this past fall my uncle who had this monstorsity that was heavier than my dads and cut even worse had his saw die on him and he went out and bought the cheapest ryobi saw he could find. mind ya he didnt get anything but it still works alot better than the one he had. sire teh old ones are built solid but the new ones work like a dream. and if it isnt heavie enough for ya on its tin base then bolt it to something thats heavier and that you can unbolt easy. problem solved

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Robert in W. Mi.

04-05-2005 12:52:56




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to youngster, 04-04-2005 19:53:33  
Too bad you guys don't know how to "tune up" an old table saw!! If you did, once done, you'd throw the new saw in a dumpster and go back to the old one!!

Robert



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thurlow

04-05-2005 13:10:42




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 04-05-2005 12:52:56  
I tend to agree; I suppose anything will cut what passes for lumber these days. Most of my lumber is sammill run..... .slightly over-dimension 2 bys (or bigger); try ripping one of those on a throw-away saw..... ..



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youngster

04-05-2005 17:46:31




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to thurlow, 04-05-2005 13:10:42  
normally i dont like to argue but, i have cut rough cut lumber 2" or better on the table saw i have as well as my uncles cuts like a dream. alot better then either of the old two, youd have a tough time rippin a half inch thick yellow pine board on the old ones. Im not saying that the good old tools shouldnt be fixed up and used some more cause the ones that were well built worked good, but the plain out old tools that have been jimmy rigged more than once dont meet my standards of tools. i like to have something to cut with that i can cut with and not talk 10 minutes just to rip one 3/4 board on. Sure you guys can simple say that oh you dont know how to "tune" a table saw or that im too young and dont know any better. but i know that the good old saws yeah sure they are worth fixin up but for the weekend woodworker it doesnt make sense to have one of the good old ones. It makes alot more sense to have a saw that one guy can put in his trunk and take it to another state to help his brother out.have fun fittin ole faithful into your trunk fellas. In case you havent noticed this is a throw away nation, nothing is built to last, those replacement parts for your old saws arent made to the old standards of quality. big buisness has taken over and any company that makes a good product is bought out and the work is shipped over seas and completes the cycle of the throw away nation. i dont like it as much as you guys dont but thats the facts, were not going back to the old days. i hate to break it too ya that pickup your driving is just another throw away piece of junk like everything else. why dont you have the first vehicle you started out with anymore? chances are somethign happened and it wasnt a good idea to put more money into something thats obsolete

alright ill shut up now being how apparently ive never used a table saw before in my life!! i think its all personal preference as to what saw youd rather use

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Galen

04-06-2005 05:47:55




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to youngster, 04-05-2005 17:46:31  
oh- but I do have my first car - 1961 Impala.



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youngster

04-06-2005 13:36:05




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Galen, 04-06-2005 05:47:55  
and its still in everday use? cause unless it is then its worthless. sorry i hate things that dont serve a purpose. and sunday driving isnt good enough. and parkin it in the winter dont help its case with me none. if you dont use it like its meant to be used or have another one that you use more then its not needed.



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Galen

04-06-2005 15:02:11




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to youngster, 04-06-2005 13:36:05  
Yup - it's my going to town car. I do have a 47 Chevy pickup (was my wife's Uncle's) that sets around for sentimental reasons, but the Impala is used most every day (or close). We have my wife's car, my service truck, an old Ford beater "pasture pickup", the 47, and my Impala.



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Keith-OR

04-04-2005 22:13:58




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to youngster, 04-04-2005 19:53:33  
These new saws will work fine for a couple of years then die on you, They are just throw away saws. Cost you more to fix one of the new ones,SO just throw it away. That is one of the big problems with the our (American) way of life,"when it quits working just throw it away and go buy a new one." I have my Dad's Craftsman 10 inch table saw that he bought in the 50's. Would not trade it for a hundred of the new direct drive saws. If you go to Sears and look at the new saws, they call the old style with external motor, Contractor saw,and the price is almost 3 time more than the direct drive. Sears seems to know which one is the better and going to stand up to the rigorous use, Old sytle with external motor....I'll get off my soap box, enough said..... Keith

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youngster

04-05-2005 17:31:29




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Keith-OR, 04-04-2005 22:13:58  
Keither i guess i failed to mention the two saws i was refering to were two make shift machines. my fathers was your regular table saw table but it was hooked on a belt back to an electric motor that was on another board attached to a larger base on hinges to give it tension, it never gave the right tension. also my uncles saw was used and abused, with the amount of things he had broken on it it just wasnt feasible to fix

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Mike M

04-04-2005 19:05:22




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
Don't throw out any of that stuff. Put it all on E-Bay it will sell ! The Amish also like those old saws as they can hook a Honda engine on them.



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Galen

04-04-2005 19:31:51




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Mike M, 04-04-2005 19:05:22  
Yup! You should see the Honda motors they hook up to thier computers so they can get on Ebay! 8^)



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youngster

04-04-2005 19:44:58




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Galen, 04-04-2005 19:31:51  
what kinda amish folks do you know? any of the ones ive met dont use machines they do everythign by hand. what state are you talking about here, this ones got me puzzled maybe your thinkin menonight. maybe im full of it but ive been right many times when ppl thought i was wrong



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Mike M

04-05-2005 05:51:55




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to youngster, 04-04-2005 19:44:58  
I'm in Ohio. There are all types around here.Some of the stuff is really funny they do,like the time I saw a tractor and kicker baler backed up to thier barn just sitting there running.They would go out to the field with the horses and wagons gather it up by hand bring it in and pitch it off the wagon into the baler and kick the bales into the barn. Some other bunch runs a little store with meat and cheese and weight it out on an electronic scales.

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greenbeanman in Kansas

04-05-2005 04:45:42




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to youngster, 04-04-2005 19:44:58  
I spent a couple of days last year working with an Amish man from an old order sect.

He told me that each congregation of each sect votes on what they can have. If there are those that disagree with the majority, typically a new sect is formed.

In the area around Yoder, Kansas it was judged to be too hot to work horses for the larger farms that are needed to provide a living. Hence they were allowed tractors. Farm sizes increased as grain prices held steady and inflation raised everything else. Therefore tractor sizes also increased. Because the larger horsepower tractors needed more traction that airless casings couldn't provide, tractors were allowed to have air in their tires.

The gentleman I worked with still uses horses, buggies and wagons, but operates the township maintenance equipment which requires him to have driver's license, to operate graders, tractors, dump trucks, etc.

I hope this hasn't hijacked the thread as that certainly wasn't my intent.

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Galen

04-04-2005 20:14:00




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to youngster, 04-04-2005 19:44:58  
In NW Missouri a lot of the Amish (Amish, not Menonite) put on a good show, but most of them have a lot of things they "shouldn't" have. At the Amish Bakery in Jamesport, the girl behind the counter told me she likes their Jalapeno Cheddar Bread "right out of the micro-wave". Most have community phones. Most have driver's licences, a lot have tractors, there are community cars, radios (just about any battery operated device), and more. We were at Crowder State Park (near Trento MO) on a Thursday (their Sabbath Day) a couple years back. A bus drives up and out come about 35 Amish. You would be surprized at how many Amish women own bikinis. Amish are just not what they used to be.

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Nolan

04-05-2005 04:05:31




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Galen, 04-04-2005 20:14:00  
No offence Galen, but you don't seem very knowledgeable about the Amish ways. Community phones are perfectly acceptable. It's having one in your own personal house that is not. Tractors are ok, but rubber tires are not. That's why they've got the steel wheels. Etc. It's basically a matter of vanity, and the avoidance of same.



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Galen

04-05-2005 06:25:28




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Nolan, 04-05-2005 04:05:31  
Like he said - each sect has different rules. As for the sect I know the phones (any) are a no-no) A lot of them now have them into the home (actually barn). Even the smaller tractors have rubber, but since they are community property (or claimed to be) they are ok. They "avoid" vanity when they are in view, but don't hide very well when they don't think you are watching. I know of one Amish gentleman who owns a small engine shop. He sells (and uses) all kinds of small equipment (Chainsaws abound), you should she him on his riding lawn mower. He's not supposed to have it, but since his business owns it, not he PERSONALLY, it's ok. There are solar panels everywhere, not just on buggys. Electronic cash registers at their stores. they carry calculators. The farther away from the watchful eye of the elder you live, the more you can get away with. I could tell you more, but I really don't know much.

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Ralph, Ohio

04-04-2005 20:03:24




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to youngster, 04-04-2005 19:44:58  
Some of the Amish craftsmen in Ohio use gas engine or air motor or line shaft driven power tools. In the case of air power they typically have a diesel powered compressor that supplies the whole shop. Some even have air motors on their wife's sewing machine!



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Glenn F.

04-04-2005 18:58:04




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
My table saw is a 8", 70+ yr. old Craftsman I got from my uncle. It's been in the family for 60 yrs. or better. I continue to use it as it does everything I need a table saw to do. It's nothing fancy, but that cast-iron will last forever! I have replaced the ole motor with a 1 1/2 hp. one off an old vacuum pump. Works for me! Glenn F.



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Leroy

04-04-2005 18:44:37




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
If you do not want it, then put it up for sale as someone else will probably want it and fix it up to use, my only table saw is 8" most uses better than a 10"



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RustyFarmall

04-04-2005 18:17:11




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
If the saw is a belt driven rig, as opposed to a direct drive style, and you have a need for a table saw, then the saw is worth the price of a new motor. The old Montgomery Wards and Sears-Roebuck belt drive saws are easily 10 times the saw that these new direct drive rigs are. I have an old Sears Craftsman, and a new taiwanese box store special. Guess which saw gets used the most?



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Sid

04-04-2005 17:08:44




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
Don't know what I would do if I was you. But if I was in the same situation as you I would do what I wanted to do and wouldn't worry about what anyone else would do.



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JeremyR

04-04-2005 16:50:30




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
Had two old sears saws tthat sat in my father inlaws garage for years thought to be dead. I took the motors apart and dumped out the tons of saw dust reassembled and they ran fine.

Jeremy



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Dick2

04-04-2005 16:32:27




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-04-2005 16:18:33  
Depends on a lot of things. Is it a high quality saw? Blade size? Features. If it is an 8" saw (hard to find blades for these days), with limited features and adjustment, you may want to move up to a 10" - if you have use for it. What died on the motor? Can you check it out? Maybe just a starting switch or capacitor that you can fix at low cost? If that is all the saw that you need, it's probably worth $50 to fix it. If you need bigger, better, scrap it and spend the $$$.

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wdtom

04-04-2005 16:51:55




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 Re: Old Table saw...what would you do in reply to Dick2, 04-04-2005 16:32:27  
There is no reason you couldn't use a 7 1/4" blade on an 8" saw. It would cut a little less deep, but be OK for most things. I would be tempted to hang onto an old saw. With the exception of the grease in the bearings being old and dried out it is probably a lot better saw than one you can buy now for anything like reasonable money. As for the bearings, carefully pry the seals out and put new grease in, if steel seals, drill a 1/16" hole, inject grease, seal hole with a spot of silicone gasket glue. Good as new.

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