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Electric Fence Charger - SOLAR

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ClemBert

04-04-2005 15:11:52




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I'm in the early stages of looking into electric fence to contain horses. I'll probably fence in a 5 acre area of pasture using some sort of electric ribbon (1.5"). I'd like some feedback from those of you that have/use electric fence to contain horses. More specifically, I'd like to know if anyone has any recommendations or do's/dont's when it comes to electric fencing. I'm also very interested in hearing about recommended solar chargers/energizers as I do not have utility power available on my property. For now I'm thinking the fenced in area will use four strands of ribbon and each ribbon will have a length of 1500 feet.

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jeffcat

04-06-2005 20:55:27




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 Re: Electric Fence Charger - SOLAR in reply to ClemBert, 04-04-2005 15:11:52  
Wow I was raised on a farm and learned something after a read through! Good grounds in dry weather are a must! I like the New Zealand fence idea but adds to the costs. I would say you should use an AC unit. There is nothing like a good shot in the As-!!! Horses are a little more on the dumb side and you need "hangers" on the wire. Tear up a sheet and hang little strips on the wire so they see it. NO BARBS OF ANY KIND!
Use a charger with pulse not weed burner type. Yes they can smell when a fence is on from the Ozone. Cows and horses will push one another into the fence to check it out. Have fun Jeffcat

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gcs

04-05-2005 15:52:26




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 Re: Electric Fence Charger - SOLAR in reply to ClemBert, 04-04-2005 15:11:52  
I used a small battery powered charger for years, the name was "Yellow Jacket" it was not solar but the batteries lasted a long time, especially on the low power setting after the horses learned to respect the wire. You could use D batteries, a lantern or car battery.
I used a single poly twine, on fiberglass poles for pasture dividers, I would NOT use it for a perimeter fence. Most horses will respect the wire and never go near it, in fact I could turn the charger off and that one wire still held them, but some horses seem to sense when the wire is cold and will test it, and slip under.
Also if dogs get to chasing them , eventually they'll hit the wire and break through.

A real perimeter fence will help you sleep at night.

The horses need to be trained to the electric,
make sure there first encounter is a memorable one,lol.

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Nolan

04-05-2005 04:01:32




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 Re: Electric Fence Charger - SOLAR in reply to ClemBert, 04-04-2005 15:11:52  
How's your sun? If you're using a rather run down battery and it's cloudy for a few days, you may well lose power. Not a problem in Kansas, but a very real problem in Oregon.

Use a proper battery instead of a car battery, especially a used car battery. A good proper battery can go for a month without recharging, which is darn nice.

Premier fence carries a good solar system, but it doesn't come cheap. Cheap solar panels tend to not charge well and aren't terribly weather resistant.

White tapes break down the fastest. Expect no more than three years with them. You might get lucky and find one that goes five. The yellow or yellow and black ones last much longer, but aren't as visible to the animals.

Beware of barbed wire combinations or using barbed wire with a charge. It has the nasty habit of ripping the animal when the jump from the jolt. I've seen some god awful messes from this.

Aluminum vs stainless in the rope or tapes, the battle continues with pros and cons for each. I personally lean towards stainless because aluminum stretches and corrodes, but there's arguments the other way.

Beware of your charger type and make sure it's suitable for tape. Overcharging tape, particularly with long pulses, results in melting the tape, destroying it. This is a common problem with weed burner type chargers.

If you're not dead certain where you're going with the fence, or if you want mobility, consider the netting systems. They work well.

If you're going temporary, avoid the cheap plastic step in poles sold by TSC and the like. Their life is measured in minutes it seems. Ken Cove and Premiere both carry very good plastic step in posts.

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Coldiron

04-04-2005 17:05:34




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 Re: Electric Fence Charger - SOLAR in reply to ClemBert, 04-04-2005 15:11:52  
Elect fences are great but some of the poly wire tape or woven rope can have a high breaking point so if a horse gets tangled in it you can expect some major wounds. Be sure that you have more than enough joules to take care of the length of coverage. If you are in a dry area you will have to make an extra amount of grounding along the fence lenghth. Keep ground rods 50` from any elect power or you may get radio, phone interference. We have contained horses for alost 40 yrs with elec and have done fairly well with it. People steal solar if they can see them.

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T_Bone

04-04-2005 22:38:34




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 Re: Electric Fence Charger - SOLAR in reply to Coldiron, 04-04-2005 17:05:34  
Hi Coldiron,

Hey start rattling off what makes a good electric horse fence as I'm all ears. I'm just getting ready to buy materials for a new fence.

From what I've read for a 300ft x 400 ft x 75ft wide "L" shaped paddock, I was going to use 12.5ga AL solid wire at 3 strands with a continious bottom #9 AL ground wire with a ground rod on each fence section (very dry ground here, AZ desert) with a top strand of 1-1/2" poly wire (for visibility) on 6ft "T" posts spaced every 50ft, with auto tension springs on corner posts.

They say with the posts on 50ft spacing the wire will flop down then return to position if the horse runs thru it without hurting the animal. Comments?

As too the solar PV, I can buy a 12v 50w PV for $55 where I buy my RV PV's and then add a 12v fencer and battery. That seams to be a better buy.

I leave my two 64w PV's (about 26" x 50") out while boondock camping and never had someone bother them. I guess I'm lucky. I do however leave two $5 rod and reels with a shinny lure standing up against the RV while I'm gone for bait. I never lost those either.

All comments are welcome as I'm a green horn to both electric fences and horses. I'm planning on two filly yearlings.

T_Bone

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FarmerDave

04-06-2005 05:14:15




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 Re: Electric Fence Charger - SOLAR in reply to T_Bone, 04-04-2005 22:38:34  
They say aluminum is brittle. I went with 12.5 gauge galvinized. I bought the Gallagher wire, it ties better.

One has to be careful about dissimilar metals. Look for stainless steel studs on the charger.

More chargers get fried from the power supply side than from lightning. So well grounded and surge suppressed is important.

If the ground is flat you can put your posts pretty far apart. It's a physcological fence, not a mechanical one.

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Coldiron

04-05-2005 21:59:46




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 Re: Electric Fence Charger - SOLAR in reply to T_Bone, 04-04-2005 22:38:34  
I have a good friend that has very good spring loaded elect. fencing with steel posts every 16 feet and a brace post arrangement every 10 posts. I have straight steel 7` with 6" insulators set 16` apart on a run of 660` with the corners braced for a 90deg turn. Cross fenced the same way with the gate wire buried beneath the gate openings down 2 1/2 feet to avoid damge during muddy times or just heavy tractor or truck crossing over. The wire is inside rubber hose for more protection besides being heavily insulated. I have horses that will test the wire constantly. Our mare would step thru a long run like the 50` one and be out on her own trail ride in a minute. The gelding would just announce her absence so we would hunt her down. Gallagher and a couple of other elect fence manufacturers have some good fence diagrams for what you are looking for. Run a search and you will find that a "New Zealand" fence would probably be ideal. bottom hot, second ground, third hot. fourth ground, fifth hot. Put a ground rod every 100 yds and tie it to the two ground wires. Make sure your ground rod is galvanized or an acceptable material and at least 6` long. I use a big power supply and use a battery system as a back up when we lose power. The battery system is switched for easy use and visible from the house. The AC unit is in the barn with three ground rods 50` from any phone or elect. wiring. spaced in a triangle 10`apart. It works for me. If you do not have a theft problem in your area be thankful. I have lived in areas where it is a problem and just avoid the percentages as much as possible. Your wiring would be very good and less resistance would give you a better voltage carry. Just remember the battery units carry a lot less joules than the AC units. More Power + good grounding = hooora.

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T_Bone

04-05-2005 09:38:04




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 Re: PV Correction in reply to T_Bone, 04-04-2005 22:38:34  
That Should read 5w PV for $55

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Rauville

04-04-2005 16:34:52




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 Re: Electric Fence Charger - SOLAR in reply to ClemBert, 04-04-2005 15:11:52  
On some of our horse lots we use 3 strands of barbless wire with a seperate electric wire mounted near the top. Seems to work if your horses are of the same general height.
In regard to solar fencers...be sure that they are out of sight of any interested parties. We've had 2 of them stolen, and at 180.00 a unit, it soon cuts into that big horse profit at the end of the year.☺☺☺

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