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pole barn lifting jacking raising

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Rod Nagy

04-03-2005 20:49:10




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Has anyone attempted to raise their existing pole barn. Mine is 40" x 40" and is always under water so I want to raise the whole structure around 4". It is vinyl sided and has plywood ceiling. I was thinking about cutting all the posts near the bottom from the inside and somehow jacking them all up and putting a filler post in place on all the posts. Any thought out there would be appreciated. Thanks

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Model_T

04-05-2005 23:20:35




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 Re: pole barn lifting jacking raising in reply to Rod Nagy, 04-03-2005 20:49:10  
You won't have any trouble raising 4 inches. Make some heavy angle knees and bolt on your posts about a foot or so off the ground. Use two 5/8 all thread for bolts. raise one side or end at a time with a couple of 12 ton jacks. Put spacers in and nail 2x4 or 2x6 on each side of posts. I move houses and pole barns and none have fallen down.Largest was 45x60 pole shed. Almost got to move an 80x90 barn but farmer had to reverse irrigation pivot one too many times. He put a match to it, sad. Billy

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David - OR

04-04-2005 07:01:57




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 Re: pole barn lifting jacking raising in reply to Rod Nagy, 04-03-2005 20:49:10  
From a structural engineering perspective, one of the whole points of pole construction is that poles embedded in the ground provide a moment resisting force along with the ability to carry a gravity load. The posts resist forces from the side, as well as forces trying to push them down into the ground.

This allows you to build a structure without worrying about bracing the walls against shear loads, and to use plain metal siding instead of plywood. The trusses are typically just set in place atop the poles, with no moment transfer from wall to roof. (Contrast with metal truss buildings like "Miracle truss"). There is little or no cross bracing employed in typical pole structures.

If you try to "jack up" a pole structure, you will dis-embed the poles from the ground and destroy the ability of the walls to resist the forces of wind blowing perpendicular to them. The whole building will fall down like a house of cards in the first strong wind.

If you've ever build a stud wall for regular frame construction, and stood it up on the deck by itself, you have seen how flimsy a plain wall is to perpendicular forces, without provisions for cross bracing. Compare it to the guardrail on the side of the highway, in which the embedded posts are very effective at resisting forces perpendicular to the row of posts.

If you were to put a new post next to each existing post, you would have to find a way to dig down as deep as the base of the existing post, and embed the new post just as effectively as before. Setting the posts in concrete is one way, but this has its own set of problems, especially in a wet area. Next, you would have to find a way to tie the new posts to the existing structure so that they can carry the gravity and shear loads over from the old posts. This will take more than a few bolts or spikes.

I suspect this is more effort than the building is worth. You would be better off figuring out how to drain the water away.

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old

04-03-2005 21:13:23




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 Re: pole barn lifting jacking raising in reply to Rod Nagy, 04-03-2005 20:49:10  
I have sort of done that but in my case the posts had rotted away and I just put in new posts next to the old ones. If your pole barn is high enough I'd just add 4 inches of gravel/fill instead of trying to raise it.If you do raise it you will probably need a number of pole jacks to do so one at each post. Then you would need to dig holes down next to whare the old post where and splice the new post to the old ones, I'd go at least half way up the old ones to keep it strong enough.

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