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Bus Driver

03-30-2005 17:02:40




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Time Warner says they can bury cable and stay off my property by directional boring. The highway easement is maximum 30 feet from the CENTER of the road and they can legally use the highway easement. My property has 330 feet frontage on the inside of a curve. TW says they can bore the 330 feet following the curve and never disturb the surface of my lot, staying entirely on the highway easement. Is it really possible to do that kind of boring? I need your help tonight, they are coming tomorrow. For lengthy reasons, I will not grant them an easement for free.

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Bus Driver

04-01-2005 15:56:24




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
Thanks for the responses. They did it - sort of. The machine was a Ditch Witch brand. Apparently "steering" the head is done with the head not rotating and firmer soil helps steer the head. The soil here is very wet right now- mostly red clay. They had to dig a hole in the middle with backhoe and work both ways, too much curve for the machine. Did go under a tree and under a culvert. They pulled in a 1 1/4" black poly pipe and then pulled the coax through that. No future boring or digging necessary to replace the coax.

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Iowadave

04-01-2005 14:23:21




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
You bet they can. Had the horizontal field for a geotherm furnace directional bored into my alfalfa field last summer. They'd go out a couple hundred feet, do a 180 and come back and out within a few feet from where they went in. Did it three times, all side by side within 10'. Then turned the machine towards my house and went down below and under the concrete foundation and said they'd come up right next to my well pump pressure tank in the basement-bingo! right there. Amazing.

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cannonball

03-31-2005 16:35:42




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
yes they can..pipeline company came across my dads they had one bore of over 600 ft..down under a creek and up on other side which had high bank..12 in pipe....would not let them cut banks....have nice day may god bless



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msb

03-30-2005 21:13:52




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
Good friend have boring business and the latest machines can do wonders about holding grade and hitting targets,but just ask them if they ever have a blowout.It can make a mess.They will be lying if they say no.



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Engineer20

03-30-2005 19:53:31




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
How tight is the curve. I"ve only seen gradual curves done. I worked for a directional boring co. for a few months one summer. It was about 8 years ago but I"m sure it"s about the same today. I ran the shovel. Anyways, they can steer the head on the borer. The heads I saw had a fin-like attachment that was controlled by a remote. Angle the fin a certain way and thats the way the head went. They same remote also tells where it"s at in the ground. I"m sure they have more up to date ways to do it.

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Davis In SC

03-30-2005 19:32:50




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
In our area, utility locating service is free..... After they finish pitting in the line, call the locating service to mark the line location, tell them you are planning on building a fence, or something... That way, you can see if they stayed off of your property....



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Davis In SC

03-30-2005 19:26:34




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
They are laying new cable by our shop, & boring under the roads & drives in the industrial park. I walked out to watch them for a minute. One of the operators showed me an orange tube ,looked like a flashlight that was placed in the boring head. Real expensive, he said, & it gave off a radio signal to track the bore. I wish I had spent more time seeing how it all worked.



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T_Bone

03-30-2005 19:10:56




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
Hi BD,

Yep they can. They lay it out like a octagon drilling on the flats in a straight line.

My grandfather had a oil well in the 70's that a new company wanted to increase it's production. Grandpa refused so the company bought a piece of poperty next to his, about 300yrds, then they drilled a slant hole into his crude oil stash and lowered his well output to nothing.

How did Grandpa prove this? One of the wildcat drillers squeeled on the company because of back wages owed to him.

T_Bone

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Galen

03-30-2005 18:51:39




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
Not a problem for them to do! Rural Water FINALLY got here in February - watched them bore under, around, and through some pretty big problem areas. It also can be done on a curve.



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yeoman

03-30-2005 18:39:01




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
If they stay on the public right of way, it is a municipal easement. No offense, none of your concern. On your property, a wholly different matter. My possessions, including land, cost me. Why big rich people and businesses EXPECT something for free, so they can get bigger and richer, astounds me. I am with you all the way; to the bank if TW is buying! Good luck. Phil



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John *.?-!.* cub owner

03-30-2005 18:20:31




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
Sure can. They do it all the time. Most of the time they bore down and up, but it is just as easy to go right and left.



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JMS/MN

03-30-2005 17:44:26




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
Several years ago, the lake association, within a few hundred yards of our farm, under the auspices of our township (the finacial authority and guarantor), put in a sewer system around the lake. They crossed about fifteen feet UNDER the lake by boring in the wintertime. They could monitor and control the boring head by walking on the ice above the boring head. If it were summertime, they would have been in a boat. Frankly, if TW is doing the job tomorrow, signing an easement would have been done a long time ago.

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Butcher

03-30-2005 17:29:25




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
I have never seen anyone bore around a corner or curv. It has to be in a straight line.
I would go out tomorrow at first light and take some pics of your frontage and try to be there when they do the work. If they leave one tire track on your property chew some a$$.
It seems that these big company's think they can walk all over the "little guy" and get away with it. I'm sick of it myself. Good luck.

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old

03-30-2005 17:21:11




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to Bus Driver, 03-30-2005 17:02:40  
They can do it just think thats its a well just layed down on its side.



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upred

03-31-2005 20:17:22




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to old, 03-30-2005 17:21:11  
The local Phone company here needed to place a new fiber optic cable from our office down hill then across US 2 (4 lanes)then into a manhole 2 1/2 blocks from the office. All done with only one hole placed in the asphalt and that was where they had to start. Rick



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

04-01-2005 15:55:44




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 Re: Directional boring in reply to upred, 03-31-2005 20:17:22  
Can it be done with a water jet system to?



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