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OT - masonary work; how hard for basics

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ShepFL

03-28-2005 16:43:43




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While I am pretty handy with lumber, wrenches, plumbing etc. I have no experience with masonary work. Never laid up a single brick or block with mortar. I am taking some time off this week to catch up on past due chores and finish planting. One of the chores is to make a trash burner. I have the materials and this week hoping to "get r done"

I am thinking 1/2" joints but would like any insights. Unit is 4Lx4Wx6H. Thanks in advance.

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Don L C

03-31-2005 21:47:00




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 Re: OT - masonary work; how hard for basics in reply to ShepFL, 03-28-2005 16:43:43  
Get your self a 55 gal. metal drum....cut 2" holes around the bottom 1/3 of the drum.....You can move it -- empty it and the cost is low .....if you are lucky you might find one with a metal lid..... use the rest of the money to buy tractor parts.....remember told yea so.....



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brian 1

03-29-2005 08:27:21




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 Re: OT - masonary work; how hard for basics in reply to ShepFL, 03-28-2005 16:43:43  
Stack your block up the way you want, drive a couple t posts and then just fill the cavities with portland cement.



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T_Bone

03-28-2005 23:53:45




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 Re: OT - masonary work; how hard for basics in reply to ShepFL, 03-28-2005 16:43:43  
Hi Shep,

I'm not a mason but have built a few small kilns. Firebrick can handle the high heat with fire clay as mortar. The 2x4x8 or 1x4x8 firebrick I got at the brick yard.

There fairly soft so you may need to line the outside with regular brick or concrete. I used a skillsaw with a masonary fiberglass blade to cut with and a mason bit to drill holes. They drill and cut very easy but very dusty.

I like 30", ID round x 5ft high (short wife), a 6ft burns considerable hotter, for a fire box as you get a hotter flame due too the increased stack air draw (forced draft) vs square. I found that 3 equal spaced vents around the bottom 8"x16" bottom vents works well with one open to about 20" for easy ash clean out.

No.6 or No.8 rebar spaced on 3" centers works well for a grate with a layer of fireclay on each rod for iron protection coating. Grate sets above vent opening. Each number of rebar equals 1/8" so a No.6 rebar is 3/4" round.

With this design you get a extreamly hot burn that doesn't smoke too bad thus less trash smell and will burn until nothing but ash is left in the bottom. I've seen flames 6ft above the top if I feed it to fast. Once the hot burn is done with then very little fly ash comes out of the top so I don't use a top spark screen even with card board but I also don't leave it unattended until the fire dies down below the top.

I do pre-screen my trash for metals, two trash cans in the house. I can burn 72cft of trash in less than one hour with a 10mph wind. If the trash is slightly wet I add some small (1" diameter) sticks.

T_Bone

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msb

03-28-2005 21:25:23




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 Re: OT - masonary work; how hard for basics in reply to ShepFL, 03-28-2005 16:43:43  
Its a lot like spackling.Its more of an art that a science and good art it only acomplished with a lot of practice.The one secret that I learned a long time ago is in mixing the mortar.Good mortar will have a plastic like quality and will behave as such.



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Rod (NH)

03-28-2005 18:22:47




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 Re: OT - masonary work; how hard for basics in reply to ShepFL, 03-28-2005 16:43:43  
Hi Shep,

Adding to what Butcher said, you might want to investigate the use of fireclay mortar instead of standard masonry mortar. It's a mixture of fireclay cement and mortar sand. It is used commonly with firebrick. I have used it very successfully between chimney liners and in fireplaces. I can't remember what the mix ratio should be. It probably will say on the fireclay bag. Check with your local masonry materials supplier.

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Butcher

03-28-2005 16:59:38




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 Re: OT - masonary work; how hard for basics in reply to ShepFL, 03-28-2005 16:43:43  
Block is made to have a 3/8" joint.It would probably not matter since you are not building a house on it.
You do realize that extreme heat and morter do not get along well together.



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