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maco02

03-25-2005 11:10:22

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Last Friday after a fish fry, I wanted to cool down the peanut oil (about 350 -400 degrees) aprox. 5 gallon was still in the pan. I took a cooler of ice, aprox 1 small bag, and dumped in hot oil. The ice went straight to the bottom and took aprox. 5 minutes to melt. Seemed like it took forever, I thought the hot oil would melt the ice very quick. What is the explanation?

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Mark - IN.

03-26-2005 06:54:35

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

I'm kinda hoping that you're joking. You are a very lucky person that you or someone wasn't wearing that hot oil. You don't mix water with a variety of things including hot oil, burning coal, molten steel, etc. People get seriously burned, hurt, or even killed doing those things. My grandfather got the molten steel one from head to toe when it hit wet sand.

Mark

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Galen

03-26-2005 05:28:01

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

Since thi IS a fish story - I'd say YOU were the one that got away!

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D annie

03-26-2005 04:24:50

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

Someone from above is watching over you.

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Joe (Wa)

03-25-2005 21:17:10

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

Actually you weren't in any real danger as long as the ice was frozen solid and there was no water.

The eruption caused by pouring water in hot oil is molecules of water flashing into steam. One LB of ice @ 32�F has to absorb 144 BTU�s latent heat of fusion, 180 BTU�s sensible heat and 970.4 BTU�s latent heat of evaporation to change it from the ice state to saturated steam.

The ice cube is dense enough to break the surface tension of the hot oil. By the time it absorbs enough heat to melt, the resulting water is on the way to the bottom. It does not separate into the fine particles on the periphery that flashes to steam nearly instantly on the hot oil surface as water does.

I am not advocating that anyone dump ice in hot oil but that is why you got away with it. Now guys before you flame me, reread the first sentence above noting �solid ice and no water�.

Joe

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Davis In SC

03-25-2005 21:43:17

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Re: fish story??? in reply to Joe (Wa), 03-25-2005 21:17:10

Joe, glad you gave the scientific explanation...sounds like you are like my brother, he has a PHD in Physics.... Only PHD I ever got was Post Hole Digger..... LOL.... But Common sense tells me not to throw water or ice into hot cooking oil..... I think we will agree that he got lucky, not getting burned by hot oil.....

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Joe (Wa)

03-26-2005 09:35:41

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Re: fish story??? in reply to Davis In SC, 03-25-2005 21:43:17

No, I don't have a smart sheet. Total 30 years marine engineer, 20 years Chief engineer steam and motor. Basically a wrench puller with a license.

Joe

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Mark - IN.

03-26-2005 07:13:21

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Re: fish story??? in reply to Davis In SC, 03-25-2005 21:43:17

Hey Davis, everything looks good on paper, huh? LOL.

Happy Easter buddy, Mark

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MAC,IL

03-25-2005 13:47:34

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

This subject did do something however, made me fish hungry, so thinks I will go to the local V.F.W. friday nite fish fry. Slaw, fries and all the fish you can eat for 5 bucks. Gotta pay for the beer. (Make some points with better half also, dont have to cook) Gonna leave the cookin up to them fellers and not worry about hot oil.

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buickanddeere

03-25-2005 19:37:48

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Re: fish story??? in reply to MAC,IL, 03-25-2005 13:47:34

VFW ?

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MAC,IL

03-26-2005 04:33:49

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Re: fish story??? in reply to buickanddeere, 03-25-2005 19:37:48

VFW. Veteran foreign War.

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Mark - IN.

03-26-2005 07:09:39

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Re: fish story??? in reply to MAC,IL, 03-26-2005 04:33:49

Hey MAC, when I used to do phones in Chicago's Loop, there's a place doors away from the Social Security Bldg and Board of Trade called the "Brokers Inn" where the fish sandwiches have easily 3" of fish piled on, maybe more. Takes a fork, a knife, and a bowl to eat one of them things, but sure were good. $5.00 and were worth every penny every Friday. Used to take up a collection and sneak a guy over to pickup a couple dozen, before they put GPS's on the trucks. Other than them fish sandwiches and looking at the women in Summer, is about then only thing I miss about Chicago. Well, the Blackhawks too.

Happy Easter, Mark

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maco02

03-25-2005 13:57:42

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Re: fish story??? in reply to MAC,IL, 03-25-2005 13:47:34

Wow, I guess I was very lucky. It was a church benefit and the fryers where in the school parking lot. They had to be removed that nite. Next year we will drink beer till they cool down. Thanks for the information.

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buickanddeere

03-26-2005 11:52:06

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 13:57:42

Beer at a church benefit? I'm not even in the US South. A beer near church would earn a quick round of prayers for the sinner, personal counsiling on the spot with concerns for your mortal soul, an abuction and intervention by the church elders along with a free AAA membership.

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Davis In SC

03-26-2005 21:28:34

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Re: fish story??? in reply to buickanddeere, 03-26-2005 11:52:06

Buick, I found this hard to believe, but.. Here in the heart of the Bible Belt, a couple I know went to a fish fry at an Episcopal Church, all the fish you could eat for a set price, but off to the side was a tub of beer on ice & a donation bucket..... We are in upstate SC..... 25 miles from Bob Jones University, center of the Bible Belt. By the way , I like a few beers myself.....

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John Garner

03-25-2005 17:08:23

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Hey, maco02, you owe . . . in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 13:57:42

maco02 --

In my estimation, "very lucky" doesn't even start to cover it.

I think you owe your Guardian Angel a couple of those beers you're talking about.

John

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John/FL

03-26-2005 13:43:55

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Re: Hey, maco02, you owe . . . in reply to John Garner, 03-25-2005 17:08:23

Back in the early '60s, I was an apprentice in a large Print Shop. One of my early responsibilites was pouring 25 lb lead ingots, called "pigs" for the Linotype machines. Fifty a day minimum, to cover three shifts. After I became skilled at other tasks in the Composing Room, the foreman decided he'd hire a laborer to pour "pigs". One of the things the foreman stressed, when I first begin working with molten lead alloy, was never introduce anything "cold" or "wet" into the hot furnace or the molds. The lead melting room was located in a semi enclosed area for ventilation, so the 30 lb capacity laddle and molds were subject to getting damp or wet at times, if caution wasn't used. When the new guy was hired, he was given hands on training, by myself and the foreman, stressing safety and was shown was could happen if something containing moisture was submerged into the molten lead. Lead splatter was evident on the 12' high ceiling and walls, from prior mistakes. Well, I was away when this happened, but the guy submerged a "wet" ladle into the hot alloy and injured himself very badly, was transported to a hospital and never returned to work again. Wasn't long after that incident, that the Composing Room was phased out and Cold Type process was implemented. Moral of the story ... consider yourself lucky no one was seriously injured.

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Matt from CT

03-25-2005 13:25:37

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

To repeat what the others said, YOU DID WHAT?

Water. Hot Oil. Violently don't mix.

You were real lucky.

(On a somewhat related note...the vegetable oils popular as being "healthier" have a higher boiling point than the animal-based oils did. Restaurants now have "Class K" extinguishers since the traditional Dry Chemical extinguishers were allowing too much re-ignition!)

Neat video on turkey fryer fires

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thurlow

03-25-2005 13:13:29

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

You been cooking fish long? That's a REALLY BAD IDEA!!!!! I cooked fish/fries/hushpuppies last night for our poker group; always cover it and leave it 'til morning when I reheat it slightly and strain it up or pour it out. My pots are the bottom one third (approximately) of a hundred pound propane bottle. After the oil comes out and while the pot is still hot, it's rinsed with a water hose; comes clean as new money..... .

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Coloken

03-25-2005 13:56:56

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Re: fish story??? in reply to thurlow, 03-25-2005 13:13:29

Thurlow,,
"bottom 1/3 of propane bottle" Sounds good, how did you cut them off?

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thurlow

03-25-2005 15:23:04

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Re: fish story??? in reply to Coloken, 03-25-2005 13:56:56

Hey, Kenny; first remove the valve..... .right hand 3/4 inch pipe thread; just lay the tank on its side, put a good pipe wrench on the valve and whack it with a sledge; never had one that didn't move on the first lick. Stand the bottle up and slowly fill with water. Determine where you're gonna cut into it; have the torch lit and tip the bottle over; begin cutting (water will slowly gurgle out). Just getting it cut into two parts/not worrying about looks; about half of what I cut are too rusted/pitted to use. If it's usable, you can go back and cut it a the proper place; also have to cut off bottom stand/ring. Mine are about 12-13 inches deep, although I've made a couple a little deeper for shrimp boils. Another part of the same bottle can be used for the stand. I've made about a dozen; they work great. DISCLAIMER!!!!! ! I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE DOING THIS!!!!! !!!!! !!

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buickanddeere

03-25-2005 12:42:43

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

Water turning to steam expands 1700+ times. As previouslt asked " you did what?".

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MAC,IL

03-25-2005 12:35:42

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

And I thought I had heard it all?????Reminds me of the time I saw a guy repouring the seat of a valve with hot molten lead and didnt have all the moisture out. He went to the E.R. Eyes glued shut with molten lead.

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Redmud

03-25-2005 12:09:10

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

Mercy, I'm lost for words. Just don't show your kids this trick, or any kids for that matter.

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Van in AR

03-25-2005 11:38:52

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

YOU DID WHAT? Not a real good idea, your lucky it didn't fizz up and eat your face. If the burner was off the ice and water formed a cool zone at the bottom that delayed further melting of the ice. Dont do that again!
Van

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Coloken

03-25-2005 11:33:27

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

YOUR LUCKY! Dumping any kind of water into hot oil is asking for trouble.

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supergrumpy

03-25-2005 11:31:37

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Re: fish story??? in reply to maco02, 03-25-2005 11:10:22

need more info

what kind of fish were you cooking
what was serial number of stove burner
what kind of fuel was used
did you read the manual for fish fryer

then ice question should be easy to solve

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Sam#3

03-26-2005 12:36:57

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Re: fish story??? in reply to supergrumpy, 03-25-2005 11:31:37

Was it on positive or negitive ground?

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