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oxygene-acetyline setting

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bobby bobbb

03-25-2005 06:14:00




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what is the proper oxygene-acetyline setting setting for general use? my old gauges are wore out so i am buying a new set. thanks




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ky dumbo

03-29-2005 18:45:10




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to bobby bobbb, 03-25-2005 06:14:00  
how many of you actually look at the gauges every time you pick up a torch,I have used one for over 40 years and very seldom do i look at the gauge .i know what my torch is supposed to look like when it is lit ,



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T_Bone

03-26-2005 13:40:48




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 Re: UpDated Comments! in reply to bobby bobbb, 03-25-2005 06:14:00  
Hi Bob,

Since I previously covered this topic, I'll just repost my thoughts:

UpDated 03/26/05:

A trick I use for accurate free hand cutting is using a sanding disc to knock off the heavy scale and then use a scratch awl for my lines. The line is very thin so it makes following lines very easy.

Another is to stop cutting when you feel your hands or torch get out of balance. When that happens, stop and reposition the torch then continue cutting.

The cleanest cut comes from a clean tip. After you clean all the orifice bores in the tip, fire up the torch and set flame for cutting, then depress the cutting lever and observe the flame.

There should be a long very "uniform" inner flame cutting cone. If that inner cone is not "very" uniform then your cut will be ragged just like the flame cone is and the back of the metal will have slag. Reclean the center orifice until it's very uniform.

A cut with a clean tip will have a very smooth cut surface with very little (if any) slag on the backside of the cut. If either one of these is not present reclean the tip.

The center bore orifice can get deformed and the tip needs replaced or cut off. It's really important to hold the cleaning file straight in the bore hole and just removing enough material to clean the bore to make the tip last a long time.

I've never used a new tip that was clean enough for cutting right out of the box.

To expand on my thoughts:

Altough theres many different tip sizes, I have a found a No3 makes for a all around good cutting tip as it will cut upto 1-1/2" or 18ga sheet metal depending on the preheat setting.

Another consideration is as the tip size becomes smaller so does the orifice size and it becomes a bare to clean them ity bity holes. If using an automatic cutting machine then changing tip size would be a production benefit.

Setting the proper neutral preheat flame, the orifice holes around the center cutting orifice, can be observed by the tip of the inner flame cone. A neutral flame has a blue colored flame outer sheild with a light blue to white inner cone flame that is slightly rounded at the cone tip. A oxidizing flame (too much oxygen) has a sharp pointed very white inner cone. A reducing flame (not enough oxygen) would have a very round to a ragged thrid inner cone.

I have found 5psi acetylene and 30psi Oxygen while cutting to be a good all around setting for upto 50ft of 1/4" hose. Your final pressure setting is regulated by the needle valve adjustments on the mixing body.

For brazing or welding a size #0 tip works well with 5psi Acetylene and 20psi Oxygen. Again the needle valves on the mixing body sets the final pressure needed at the tip.

I also use the above settings to preheat 2" round bar without any problems using the #0 size tip or the rose bud tip.

The advantage to using a rose bud tip is that it expands the flame temperature over a wider area vs using a #0 size tip. I very seldom use my rose bud tip. Preheating with LP saves some expensive gas then finish heating with Qxy/Acet.

Never run Acetylene above 15psi for any reason! T_Bone

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buickanddeere

03-25-2005 20:57:41




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 Re: oxygen-acetylene settings in reply to bobby bobbb, 03-25-2005 06:14:00  
No oil or grease on any fittings. Don't lay the acetylene tank down.Stand it up for 24 hrs if you do. Don't draw too fast off a small acetylene tank, factor of seven if memory serves. Acetylene will go boom in the hose if cranked over 15 psi. Oxygen pressure always higher than acetylene. Use the flame arrestor/ back fire preventor or one wy valves. What ever they call them in your area. Check for leaks with soapy wtaer. Always shut tank valves off when work is done or walking away. Run the O2 valve wide open onto it's back seat so it doesn't leak. I have to run my writing through the spell checker and proof read it twice to catch most of the errors.Grammar is lacking at the best of times.

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dr.sportster

03-26-2005 04:45:26




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 Re: oxygen-acetylene settings in reply to buickanddeere, 03-25-2005 20:57:41  
Now Buick.Since Ive already accidentally argued with Joe because I cant read and went off half cocked I will now further the damage arguing with you.Hobart sells a welding coures where you watch a film then in the shop to practice the position shown in the film.They have been teaching 6 and 6.Oxygen no higher than acet.Lenght of hose is also a factor the longer the hose the more pressure needed.When I went to night school it was 5 and 10 oxy higher.Being cheap [like the USMC is really cheap]Ive used the 6and 6 spec.without problem.As long as the flame is adjusted correctly you could probably turn on the gauges with even looking at them.

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dr.sportster

03-25-2005 14:47:31




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to bobby bobbb, 03-25-2005 06:14:00  
Bobby, When all is said and done its the way you adjust the flame at the torch body adjustment knobs that really matters anyway.I must stop my tool talk obsession and go for gasket goop.



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dr.sportster

03-25-2005 12:30:23




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to bobby bobbb, 03-25-2005 06:14:00  
Oh no I just reread this .I thought for some reason you said cutting.As taught to me in A Hobart course purchased for the Marine Corps Engineering School, 6 and 6 for a number two Victor tip.No wonder Joe thought the answers were stupid.Joe disregard my other post.How do you erase stuff.The first answers were stupid.Oh man!



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Coloken

03-25-2005 11:51:22




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to bobby bobbb, 03-25-2005 06:14:00  
Bobby, don't be afraid to experment a little and see the effects various setting have. Years ago I was told for acetylene use about 4 lb. for a #4 tip 7 lb. for a #7 tip etc. Acetylene pressure kinda has to be about right or the tip get hot or blows out. Oxygen varies with what you need depending on thinkness of what you are cutting. 12-15 lb. will cut a lot of usual, 1/4-1/2 inch stuff and not waste gas. 40 lb. should cut maybe 2 inches thick.

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Joe in Minnie

03-25-2005 10:03:27




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to bobby bobbb, 03-25-2005 06:14:00  
Where ever you buy your Oxygene and acetyline from should give you the proper information cause they have the experience, or should have, but most generally a welding shop that's in the business welding would tell you also, always ask the experts who work with the products....not some one who buys it and don't know but thinks he does....



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dr.sportster

03-25-2005 10:59:45




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to Joe in Minnie, 03-25-2005 10:03:27  
Joe, Your answer is insulting to those who have chosen to try to help.Not all salespeople know about the processes involved in what they sell.The idea of the forum is to try to ask experts .Three guys responded who had ok answers,but thats no good you say go ask the gas place.Many outfits just sell industrial gasses and care less about welding.Ive had an account at a gas suppliier for twenty years and have not spoken since.They arent weldors,they sell gas.Ok so no welder actually uses a chart I thought since the guy was new to it that was a good suggestion.There are many tip sizes for various thickneses .Different torches work with different numbers.Maybe you were trying to help the guy also but your info said very little to help.Also you misspelled or typo-ed both the words oxygen and acetylene, no big deal,not how a weldor would spell them.If anyone with a tool or tractor question took your advice we would all have to call IH,John Deere,Hobart, miller, on a continual basis and there would be no forum.I know personally I sound like a know it all jacka but I try to give any info I know.I have received info here that has saved great expense to myself and freinds and appreciate it.Each guy can decipher the best answers himself.Sorry but to say to the guy "go ask the supply house" was an insult to those who had answered.On that note I gotta go do some work. Hppy Good Friday.

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Joe in Minnie

03-25-2005 14:44:14




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to dr.sportster, 03-25-2005 10:59:45  
Thanks for your opinion, but from my experience in buyng cutting torch gas, they have given me expert advise, along with the ones in the business, also from those who just use it on a farm or whatever, are not using the equipment every day like the experts, What do you mean by Good Friday? every day is good in my book, hope it is in yours too.... sorry about my spelling, but you get the point I'm sure, :) Blessings Joe

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Big Jim

03-28-2005 01:17:50




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to Joe in Minnie, 03-25-2005 14:44:14  
I generally would not trust any advice from a gas vendor as far as I could throw a 300 oxy bottle. Much of what you read in this forum comes from men with dozens of years of experience in the field who know what actually works. With the snide remark about Good Friday, you also seem to want to insult the English-speaking Christian community as well.



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Joe in Minnie

03-28-2005 04:59:08




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to Big Jim, 03-28-2005 01:17:50  
Big Jim, apparently you'v had a BAD experience with a gas vender, there are remedies for people who give you bad advise which you should learn. So you think I am making an insult to the Christian community about Good Friday, again you must have been informed with bad advise Jim, I study and follow Gods Word the Bible, Not Man, as you must, nothing in HIS Word (KJV) on Good Friday Jim. (I don't mean to preach to you) but A lot of people call them selves Christians, but follow man, and Not what a True Christian must do, study and follow Gods Book the Christian Bible, it's all there, all you have to do, is DO IT, don't depend on a religion to do it for you, Every Day is GOOD for me Jim, hope it is for you, Thanks for your opinion: Blessings. Joe

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Big Jim

03-29-2005 02:08:03




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to Joe in Minnie, 03-28-2005 04:59:08  
Good Friday is a culturally recognized name commerating the crucifixition of Jesus the Christ. To deny that is either silly or foolish. I have good days and bad days in this life. Religious discussion is really against the rules here so, if your are a redeemed Christian, we can continue this discussion in eternity.

As far as a dealer, which makes more sense - listening to an $9.00 salesdroid or listening to a group of experienced professionals with a huge reserviour of hands-on knowledge? I have easy access to several large distributors near me but, when I have questions, I go to a retired guy who made his living as a welder for many years (some of it in the same plant as T-Bone).

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dr.sportster

03-25-2005 14:52:47




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to Joe in Minnie, 03-25-2005 14:44:14  
Joe ,Sorry I thought Bobby said for cutting and I think the other guys did too.



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Joe Losinski

03-28-2005 06:07:37




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to dr.sportster, 03-25-2005 14:52:47  
Hello dr.sportster: No problem with your opinion dr. "general-use" with a torch set is some times in need of explaining, and it's some times in need of people who deal with this "every day".. Big Jim really get's into this question, hope he understands better in the long run, we all want to help those who need help, but need to focus on the best information posssible, not just guessing. Blessings to You and yours. Joe

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dr.sportster

03-28-2005 14:03:51




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to Joe Losinski, 03-28-2005 06:07:37  
Joe ,On first reading I took what you said as dont listen to the first three idiots,which isnt what you were saying at all.I apologize again for my response.If I had properly read Bobbys post it also would have helped.In my misguided efort to rebutt what you said I came to realize that,for one it was misread by me the first time and also thats not what you meant at all.Talking is not my strong point.I do apoligize.

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dr.sportster

03-28-2005 14:08:55




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to dr.sportster, 03-28-2005 14:03:51  
Shuting up is also not my strong point.



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Joe in Minnie

03-28-2005 14:14:23




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to dr.sportster, 03-28-2005 14:08:55  
No problem dr., I have the same problem from time to time, and we all learn as we get older, it's a Blessing to know your an understanding fellow. Joe



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dr.sportster

03-28-2005 14:53:59




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to Joe in Minnie, 03-28-2005 14:14:23  
Hey Joe,This poor guy Bobby is probably saying "ghee Im never asking these guys a question again" What confusion.



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1945 A

03-25-2005 08:25:17




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to bobby bobbb, 03-25-2005 06:14:00  
An old instructor many years ago said the settings were easy to remember---- his age, which was 4 on the acetylene, and 40 on the oxygen----- that seems to work pretty well for general cutting torch settings, but, I"ve found that those settings don"t work for brazing or when using a "rosebud" tip....



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dr.sportster

03-25-2005 07:13:16




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to bobby bobbb, 03-25-2005 06:14:00  
Depends on many factors.The new gauges will come with a book that should give you a chart.Its probably avaiable on line somewhere.without knowing your fuel and thickness of material its hard to say but one generalized settting could be;5and 25,its better to check the chart first.Ive had oxy up to ninety on 4" plate.Home cutting with oxy/acet is costly.



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MAC,IL

03-25-2005 07:10:05




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 Re: oxygene-acetyline setting in reply to bobby bobbb, 03-25-2005 06:14:00  
To each his own, but I use 7 acet and 15 oxy for just general use.



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