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Jack W

03-24-2005 12:43:54




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Any suggestions on how to dry wood/lumber for use in a lathe? I managed to scrounge some apple wood,about 3 inches in diameter and peeled it but soon it cracked and of no use in a lathe.I also didn't peal some pieces and they also cracked...I was disappointed in that apple wood is so nice to work on a lathe !!!




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haines_6of6

03-26-2005 09:32:28




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 Re: Drying wood/lumber in reply to Jack W, 03-24-2005 12:43:54  
I had a friend who would make drums out of Aspen trees. He would cut out a section of log that he wanted to make the drum from and place it in a plastic bag. Once a week he would turn the bag inside-out and re-seal the bag with the log in it until the log section was dried out (many weeks). He said that this process of drying the wood allowed the inside of the log to dry out at the same rate as the outside. Good luck. haines_6of6

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VaTom

03-24-2005 15:42:12




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 Re: Drying wood/lumber in reply to Jack W, 03-24-2005 12:43:54  
Hi Jack,

Apple is lovely wood. I've successfully dried a few trees. Wish I could get more. Your problem appears to be trying to dry the whole trunk or branch, yes? If so, the shrinkage on the outside far exceeds the shrinkage in the middle, resulting in cracks that are large on the outside, becoming smaller toward the center, or pith. Almost every tree will do this. One notable exception is dogwood, which often will dry check-free.

Generally for lumber drying, the 3" around the pith are not good for much of anything. Commercial sawyers have pallet material. To get a good 3" blank for turning, you need to have at least a 6" thick trunk. 8" would be much safer.

There are solutions you can buy that will prevent the wood from checking. PEG is one, which you submerse your stock in. Not anything I've been interested in experimenting with.

One point of disagreement we have is your assumption that a check(s) makes the wood unacceptable. I've turned lots of wood with structural defects. Sometimes so holey that I've had to tape it together on the side opposite that which I was working.

You might try turning while still very green. Dale Nish, at one time of BYU, was promoting that very strongly 25 yrs ago. You take a shower when the wood's very wet, but it sure turns easily and fast. Turn it oversize, then you stick it in a plastic bag for a few weeks with gradual exposure to your shop air. The idea is to make the drying extremely slow, to minimize checking.

After it's dried, you turn to size. Don't expect your oversize turning to be anywhere close to round. Shrinkage won't be uniform. If you really want to understand wood movement and drying, the best book is "Understanding Wood" by R. Bruce Hoadley ISBN 0-918804-05-1.

In Community Album take a look at an 8" walnut bowl with substantial checks, filled with plastic. Some find it more interesting than if there was no check. Eye of the beholder.

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Hey VATom..John,PA

03-25-2005 20:06:01




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 Re: Drying wood/lumber in reply to VaTom, 03-24-2005 15:42:12  
I just read in the local newspaper that they are going to cut down some "witness" sycamore trees here in Gettysburg, PA. These trees were witness to the BATTLE of GETTYSBURG, 1863. Arborist consultant says they (the trees) would be too expensive to nurture. A limb broke off one of the trees and fell thru a car windshield. Therefore, the trees are considered too damgerous to have around, for liability sake.

I put in a request for some 8 inch by 36-48 in stock for turning URNS.

Some lumber guy was awarded the scrap wood for making picture frames.

Like always, I am always a day late.

Sycamore. John,PA

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VaTom

03-26-2005 05:35:24




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 Re: Drying wood/lumber in reply to Hey VATom..John,PA, 03-25-2005 20:06:01  
You can"t get the picture frame guy to spare you 8" d.? Hard to imagine. That"s firewood here, especially sycamore.

We had an oak like that. The guy who got the tree made a table for the university with part of it. It was a matter of who you knew. I didn"t.

I"m finding my 100 yr old oaks dying. Story I get is it"s the air pollution (vehicles and midwest power plants) and that 150-200 yr old trees won"t happen again. There is one tulip poplar at the corner of my property that hasn"t had a top since I"ve been here but was still alive last yr. 60" d. breast height. Even shows fire scarring.

Every now and again I get offered huge old 48+" trees but they"re too big to move with my equipment and I don"t know anybody with a large enough mill to come in and cut them up. Last one (white oak) got split for fence rails, but not by me.

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PJW

03-25-2005 05:12:38




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 Re: Drying wood/lumber in reply to VaTom, 03-24-2005 15:42:12  
I have turned all types of wood, practically right from the tree. The trick is to do the turning and sealing all in the same day. Only once did I have a part crack and that was a large Oak vase for a customer. I asked him to return the piece for an exchange and he declined. Never did see how much it cracked.



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old blue

03-25-2005 18:17:15




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 how do you turn it right from the tree in reply to PJW, 03-25-2005 05:12:38  
I've often wondered how you find center and get a piece to spin straight right off the tree. whats the trick with limited tools?



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Doyle Alley

03-24-2005 13:09:51




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 Re: Drying wood/lumber in reply to Jack W, 03-24-2005 12:43:54  
I strongly suggest you go over to the turner's forum on Sawmill Creek. There is lots of good info there about drying wood for turning. Some of those fellows are real masters.



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Doyle Alley

03-24-2005 13:10:55




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 Re: Drying wood/lumber in reply to Doyle Alley, 03-24-2005 13:09:51  
Sorry, the URL didn't post.

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