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pperry

03-23-2005 21:02:09




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i live in michigan and im looking for some feedback on a outdoor wood furnace. i am just starting to look into it. what are the good name brands, and what should i look for. i have a 1200sqft ranch with crawl, built in 1999. the cost to fill my propane pig is becoming way to expencive{thanks bush}..... we may have to start making our own moon shine to run are old gas hog trucks




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mountain

11-19-2005 19:45:02




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
I just bought a hydro 48 and love it. I am intered to know what type of things you guys burn in your outdoor furnaces



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Buzz

03-27-2005 05:16:52




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
pperry:

Got a Central boiler awhile ago. Love it. Wished I'd done it long before that. I too had the add on stoves in the basement before. Those worked nice, kept the floor really warm, but did have the smoke, dust and the mess of the wood indooors. These outdoor boilers do burn more, but if you have a good wood source and like to cut wood, then no problem. I think I've got about 7 or 8 grand in ours. This included the heat exchangers for the house and garage. Also heat the hot water for the house with it.

Good luck with it and if ya'll are tired of the way things are running here in this country, I suggest you follow Merl Haggards advice in the song "The Fightin' Side Of Me".

Now then, let's get that saw sharpened!!!!

Buzz

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Bill from wisc

03-25-2005 09:02:49




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
PPerry I live in wisconsin and within 4 miles of me the neighbors have about all of the models made, First is, all will have problems if not cleaned out during the off season. Dealer surport is a big help, Around here if someone bought a second stove or up graded it seems to be to Aqua-therm. The cost of boilers are from 3100.00 to 4500.00 plus cost of plumbing to house You will have from 5500.00 to 7000.00 tied up. If I buy a new one it will be a Aqua-therm mainly due to great dealer surport and warr. Good luck Bill

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pperry

03-24-2005 19:33:56




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
can anybody tell me the est cost on a complete outdoor unit installed????



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Gus

03-25-2005 04:28:41




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-24-2005 19:33:56  
I have about $7000.00 into mine. Thats for two buildings.I did the outside underground myself but hired a plumber to do the inside. The boiler itself was $4500.00. If you are only heating one building you can probably get by with a smaller unit than mine. If I had only done one building I would probably still gone with this size because of the larger door size and firebox capacity.I thought long and hard before investing that much. Since I did mine, the township here has implemented rules and regs. I comply because no other homes close to me.Some others may have problems. Stack height, min. distance from property lines, etc. They do stink at times.

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buickanddeere

03-24-2005 23:45:32




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-24-2005 19:33:56  
Do you have a garage or large garden shed. My neighbour is real happy with a boiler unit made by Neumac. Inteded for basement installation it works well outside and the price was right. He stores a few days worth of wood in the shed to dry before burning. It's a dry draft free place where storage of paper and kindleing is handy too. Outside boiler funace won't freeze i there as there's a 1500W heater in there. Should they not get home for a few days to stoke it during an extended storm. As for Bush being a corrupt self centered politician. Yes he's rotten but still smells good compared to President Clinton and her husband Slick Willy. Who set liberal energy policy for eight years and allowed China full access to the North American market?

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Joe P.

03-24-2005 10:19:47




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
Lets see, we seem to be starting with the Bush argument: Idiot is too soft a term.
Now for the boiler: they have their advantages as others have pointed out. I have a home made wood burner in the basement. When the electricity goes out and the blower doesn"t work, the sucker gets really hot. It heats the basement too well then and some of that goes up naturally to the 1st floor. But I worry that the floor directly above the furnace will get TOO hot. I do very much like the idea of throwing wood down into the basement once a week and then not having to go outside to stoke the furnace. I also know that the outside boilers are not very efficient compared to furnace or stove inside. For only 1200 sq ft I would have a medium size wood stove in a central location inside. The newer sealed, catalytic ones burn clean and also will burn for quite a long time per load if damped properly.

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jim j w

03-24-2005 09:11:38




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
I to live in West Michigan. I installed a Central Boiler (Hydro-Fire). Heat 1950 sq ft home plus all water plus 24x24 shop. Works exc. Saftey issues are a great plus. No carpenter ants in the house in the winter. Tractors are kept warm all the time. Love It jim



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Bill WI

03-24-2005 08:12:21




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
I'm interested too and have heard the round tank type are more efficent. I have hydronic "boiler" heating and these little heat exchangers don't seem as though they'd get the heat out. I believe T-Bone wrote something awhile back I saved.



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Joe in Minnie

03-24-2005 07:23:06




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
I'M WITH YOU ALL THE WAY ON BUSH, HE'S AN IDIOT AND IF ANY ONE VOTED FOR HIM, THEIR JUST AS BAD.. I AM A HEATING ENGINEER, I HAVE BOTH IN DOOR AND OUT DOOR WOOD BURNERS, IF YOU LIKE FEEDING YOUR WOOD BURNER EVERY 3-4 HOURS, GET AN INDOOR ONE, IF YOU WANT TO FEED YOUR WOOD BURNER ONCE A DAY, GET AN OUT DOOR ONE, I HAVE 1500 SQ. FT. LIVING SPACE, AND A 4 CAR GARAGE, I KEEP THE HOUSE AT 75* AND THE GARAGE 55* --- I LIKE THE WOODMASTER BOILER CAUSE IT HAS THE BEST INSULATION AND YOU KEEP THE WOOD MESS OUT SIDE, IF YOU NEED MORE INFO, PLEASE CONTACT ME, THANKS PERRY....

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wgm

03-26-2005 17:20:27




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to Joe in Minnie, 03-24-2005 07:23:06  
Please name a school which would grant an engineering degree in heating.



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Joe in Minnie

03-27-2005 06:03:31




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to wgm, 03-26-2005 17:20:27  
Any Vocational Technical College that is geared to teaching Engineering Courses, then you apply and take a Test in the State you want to work in, and if you pass, will receive an Engineer's License in Heating, I happen to have 3 Engineers License in three different States, All are Chief License, which is the Highest one can acquire, The School gives you the Basics, then you must serve 5 years of Apprenticeship, then take the State Test. Any other questions ?????

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RB/CT

03-24-2005 07:17:29




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
Glad someone mentioned Coal Heat. Thats all I burn in an Alaska Stoker Stove. (www.alaskastove.com) It uses rice coal. Coal has TWICE the btus of wood, wood could never produce the heat that Coal does. I feel good knowing that this Coal comes from the US, and that US citizens have jobs because of my Coal burning. Good Luck.



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Can't even use my name

03-24-2005 19:15:48




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to RB/CT, 03-24-2005 07:17:29  
That may be true but I have trees that would just rot in the woods so why not burn something that is relatively free and is renewable.



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Hermit

03-24-2005 07:04:04




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
If money is your main concern, why not an inside wood stove. Initial costs is much, much lower and continuing maintenance cost is also lower. You don't have to go outside when it's -20 degrees through 2 feet of snow (I live in the Upper Peninsula) or worry if the power goes out. You do have to feed it 2 or 3 times a day depending on outside temperature but if saving money is the main factor, then a little sweat equity is required.

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Can't even use my name

03-24-2005 19:12:34




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 Re: Bush's fault ?- oh, come on! in reply to jdemaris, 03-24-2005 06:05:38  
I would have to disagree on the outdoor wood boilers being less efficient. We burn far less wood in it than with the addon unit, which would heat the old farm house to 80 easily, it replaced plus we are now heating a milking parlor! Same amount of wood each week for both units but three times the heating power from the boiler system. They have to be airtight when not at full bore and have to have a firebox fan to kick up the fire instantly creating a blast furnace to be efficient, in my opinion anyways. I can see how a simple dampner system to control the fire would eat the wood.

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jdemaris

03-24-2005 20:15:40




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 Re: Bush's fault ?- oh, come on! in reply to Can't even use my name, 03-24-2005 19:12:34  
I don't know how hot a fire you run, but most wood furnaces are fairly efficient when they're fired up. The problem comes when the fire is turned down. Stack temperature has to stay at a certain temperature level or efficiency drops way down and the furnace smokes. That's why the air-tight wood stoves of the 70s are longer legal to produce. I don't fully understand all what's been to done with the EPA woodstoves, but it really works well. Main idea is you can turn the fire down low and it will still burn efficiently instead of smoldering. I've checked out maybe half a dozen different brands of outdoor furnaces and I've yet to see one that has made any upgrades in efficiency. It's likely none of the companies will do it until they are forced into it. I don't doubt what you say about your furnace. If you like it, you like it.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

03-24-2005 04:31:58




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
A Heat-Mor dealer called me this week offering a 10 year financing plan for an immediate installation of his product. I've looked at the Heat-Mor and think it's a bit better than the others, but I am intrigued by a model called the "Energy Converter", "Converter", "Wood Converter", "EC" by various companies.

I asked the dealer/installer about it (Wood Doctor handles it in this area) and he says it is a very efficient furnace, but requires dry, small, high-quality wood, and they don't sell well because everybody likes to burn junk wood.

In my advancing years I can see myself loading a firebox with ten pound blocks, but not with 100 pound stumps, so a smaller quantity of finer wood might make a lot of sense, especially if my wife occasionally does the stoking.

I'd like to know more about the converter before I buy a central incinerator.

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RayP(MI)

03-24-2005 09:29:31




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 03-24-2005 04:31:58  
Been looking into outdoor furnaces too. I like some of the features of the Heat-Mor, sepecially the auger in the bottom of firebox to remove ashes, and the sand bunker under the firebox to hold heat between burns. Brother-in-law has had one for several years and is very happy with his.



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Gus

03-24-2005 03:05:03




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
I too live in Mich. Heat an 1800 ft. old farmhouse and a 2000 ft. shop with the mid-size Heatmor. Works great but loves the wood. I wasn"t happy with the dealer I got it from. Ended up getting more help and all the pipe/ accessories from a Woodmaster dealer in Mulliken. Even though I like my boiler, I wish I would have given him all my business.



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Dave Woodby

03-24-2005 04:21:39




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to Gus, 03-24-2005 03:05:03  
Hi Gus,
I have a place in Beaverton (just south of Gladwin) and am about to retire. I heat with propane now and the cost of propane is a killer in our area. I know nothing about the outside wood heaters, but I have 20 acres of woods that surround the house. Could you give me the name of the dealer that you are happy with so I can get information from him and any advice you could share would be greatly appreciated. A recommendation by a satisfied customer is better than all the pretty advertisements in the world. Thanks in advance. Dave

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Gus

03-24-2005 11:05:51




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to Dave Woodby, 03-24-2005 04:21:39  
In reply to a post about auger binding- mine has been in use two years now and only binds when I shove it all the way in hard. I suppose if you had nails/ bolts whatever in the wood you were burning, maybe. I have burned lots of nail imbedded wood, never a problem. As for the woodmaster dealer. Gary Roll 517-6498532. The opposite of high pressure. There is also a dealer on M55 near Merritt toward Lake City. Not sure if it's Heatmor or Woodmaster. You will have to like to cut wood. I do, and have the equipment to get it to the stove. I sold my splitter because I only burn dead elm, ash, etc. If I can lift it, it goes in. If not, I cut into small pieces. What little bit of green stuff I burned seemed to make the blower run too much. Trying to dry the moisture so it would combust I suppose. So if you are cutting green, you may want to split it and let it set. Good luck, Gus. Almost forgot, part of my decision to get Heatmor was RayP's recomendation.

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Can't even use my name

03-25-2005 09:07:46




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to Gus, 03-24-2005 11:05:51  
So you have a Heatmor? It is the Woodmasters that the auger binds up on, according to the local dealer here which happens to be a relative of mine. He flat out said that the automatic ash auger removal system is nothing but a waste of money and all it does is bind up. Not my words but his. I love our Heatmor.



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Gus

03-25-2005 09:59:05




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to Can't even use my name, 03-25-2005 09:07:46  
Yes it's a Heatmor. Supposedly 10 year warranty on the stainless firebox. Hope I don't need it. I have burned up pump cartridges, but the Woodmaster guy gave me new ones. The pump manuf. says I should be using bronze cartridges in the pumps even though I am running soft water through it.



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Can't even use my name

03-24-2005 04:20:19




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to Gus, 03-24-2005 03:05:03  
We too have a Heatmore and suggest it over the Woodmaster. My dads cousin lives just around the corner bought a Woodmaster and is happy with the unit but doesn't like how you have to get the ashes out. The Heatmore has a grate they fall through and below the firebox where you can auger them out from the back but the Woodmaster as well as most others you have to shovel them out from the bottom of the firebox with the hot coals and wood still in there. Local Woodmaster dealer here suggest you DON'T get the auger system for it because it binds up all the time. And 1200 sqft isn't too small to heat. On the units with a fan for the firebox when it doesn't need heat to warm the water they are airtight and the wood really just sits there barely burning up but when it needs heat the fan kicks on and you have a blast furnace. If it just has a damper I could see how they would smolder and waste alot of wood.

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Joe in Minnie

03-24-2005 07:35:55




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to Can't even use my name, 03-24-2005 04:20:19  
I use to sell Heatmore boilers, not good, the welds have come apart a lot, and the Company always blamed the owner for running the unit low on water, it has a bafffle which is not good also, seems you have alot of problems with Heatmore then Woodmaster, I have had both, and I prefer woodmaster with the auger system,(It has never bound up for me) It does a great job between them both, WoodMaster is Better all around...

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jokers

03-24-2005 13:53:57




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to Joe in Minnie, 03-24-2005 07:35:55  
Your opinion of the Heatmor is exactly counter to my experience. I too sold Heatmors but quit after a couple of years of only selling a few. I did however go into other dealers areas and correct installation problems and deficiencies. At that time, Dion and the Reeds were extremely supportive of my efforts to make customers happy at the company's expense, when they should have been going after the schmucks who installed their units.

I`m on my ninth season with mine with absolutely no trouble and none of the units that I sold or serviced is having any trouble either.

Hmmmmm.....?

Russ

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Can't even use my name

03-24-2005 18:59:43




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to jokers, 03-24-2005 13:53:57  
I find it hard to beleive the welds would crack after a few years since they have a 20 year warranty!



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buickanddeere

03-24-2005 02:06:33




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
You heating load is much too small for an outdoor furnace. It will have to be dampered back and smoulder to keep from roasting you out of the house. The smouldering just puts the wood gases which make 80% of the heat unburned up the stack. Makes a creosote mess too. How about a Harmond #45 wood pellet and grain stoker? Or a coal stoker? While gasoline is pricey, it's still cheaper than bottled water. And gas/diesel is cheaper now than 50 years ago considering inflation and cost of living.

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Bobmn

03-23-2005 22:34:13




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
pperry; Well I installed a Central Boiler 2 yrs ago, and I am a happy camper! www.centralboiler.com or 1 800 248 4681. We installed the CL5648. We have a old farm house, newer windows, etc. I did all the installing myself. We have a GREAT dealer 8 miles from us. Also used the new piping from Finland,I think. Not cheap, about 12.75 a FOOT, but it really works good. There are a lot of these boilers in our area. We are building a 36 x64 shop, and going to heat the slab also with this boiler. Hope this helps. Bob

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old

03-23-2005 21:41:14




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to pperry, 03-23-2005 21:02:09  
Its not bush its the fact that the gas/diesels/propane plants are older then some of our tractors trying to keep up with todays fuel needs. Sort of like trying to farm 160 acres with one horse in a weeks time can't be done. The gas companys make the $$ but haven't done much to speed up how they do what they do. Most plants where state of the art in the 30/40 and they are still useing them. We have the crude oil on hand but not the plants that can keep up with the need so we pay the big $$ because the gas companys don't put the profits back in to up dateing the equipment

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Gofarmer

03-24-2005 09:28:59




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to old, 03-23-2005 21:41:14  
You have bristled my bristles, Has anyone heard of the ugly subsidies given to ENERGY companies in this country , and the ones clamoring to get into the act , billions of dollars , wasted particularly from the coal energy source , wasted money, Yes, its costing YOU the farmer, The bit about B.....H being an idiot sits fine with me . I,m not into politics , but I do have above average common sense.

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tyrone

08-16-2005 21:33:03




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 Re: outdoor wood furnace in reply to Gofarmer, 03-24-2005 09:28:59  
I've been looking at stoves does anybody have any comments on empyre stoves versus heatmor and woodmaster. Which is better between all three



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