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Rafters for loft in new shop

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Steve-Maine

03-23-2005 16:22:12




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I am planning on building a loft in my new shop. It will need 16 ft rafters. I can either get rough green hemlock full 2 x 10 or dry spruce. Which would be best and weight of the rough green hemlock 2 x l0 by 16ft long? Thanks




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jdemaris

03-23-2005 20:11:58




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 Re: Rafters for loft in new shop in reply to Steve-Maine, 03-23-2005 16:22:12  
Eastern Hemlock varies a lot depending where it comes from - even sometimes just from county to county. I'm in central New York in Otsego County and most of the Hemlock here is crap. It makes excellent rough siding though. I've got two sawmills close to me but don't use green hemlock for framing anymore. Too many problems. It's has a course grain, so it's easy to have bad spots that severely weaken it. I've used some Candian Hemlock that was much better - and I have no idea how it is by you. It's been banned in the Adirondacks (for framing) unless it's been inspected and grade stamped. I just had to get permit for a cabin I'm building and was instructed that no rough-sawn hemlock is allowed for framing without the stamp. I've gotten so I use kiln dried, planed, spruce for most framing. It has a fine grain so you don't get the weak spots, it's uniform in size, it's dry, it's light, it costs just about the same as the rough green hemlock. If I have an area that needs high strength wood, I buy fir (if I can find it), and if not, spend a little extra and buy pressure-treated Soutern Yellow Pine. Southern Yellow Pine is very strong - I wish they sold it untreated in this area, it'd be cheaper that way.

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MarkB_MI

03-23-2005 17:47:47




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 Re: Rafters for loft in new shop in reply to Steve-Maine, 03-23-2005 16:22:12  
Steve,

I took a look at a table of wood properties and was surprised to find that eastern hemlock is actually weaker than spruce.

I would take a close look at the wood before deciding. There's a lot of variation in the quality of spruce. I've seen some very clear spruce that was completely free of knots, but most spruce I've seen has been nothing but knots.

If you have time, you could build a solar drier from the green hemlock. Of course it might not be too straight when it's dry.

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old blue

03-23-2005 18:35:09




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 Re: Rafters for loft in new shop in reply to MarkB_MI, 03-23-2005 17:47:47  
whats a solar drier and how well does it work. id love to get a mill and cut my own lumber but i figured it would warp, curl , twist and all that other fun stuff too much to be useful for finish work and hard to work with for rough stuff. whats you opinions



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VaTom

03-24-2005 04:33:20




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 Re: Rafters for loft in new shop in reply to old blue, 03-23-2005 18:35:09  
Hi Blue,

A solar kiln works much as a petroleum fueled one, but a little slower. I'm making one now as a part of my lumber shed. It uses 2 box fans to circulate the air.

The reason to sticker green lumber is to prevent almost all of that warp, curl, and twist you were worried about. Air-drying also needs stickering. I've successfully air-dried several thousand board feet sawn from my woodlot. The whole shed, 2 story post&beam, is completely from lumber we've sawn here. All the trim in our house is hickory sawn and dried here. Drawers are tulip poplar, cherry, walnut, oak, sassafras, whatever I've sawn and had sitting around.

The reason for my kiln is partly to speed up rate of drying, but also that I can't air-dry below 15% moisture content (mc) in Va. The local shops won't buy lumber that hasn't been dried to industry standard 7%. It won't stay at 7% here, but that's what it takes to sell it.

I know little about spruce and hemlock, uncommon here where hardwoods are native. I used oak for all my structural needs. Green oak rafters worked just fine.

Here's a link to one site with several kilns, number 4 being the most used here:

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Gerald J.

03-23-2005 16:27:40




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 Re: Rafters for loft in new shop in reply to Steve-Maine, 03-23-2005 16:22:12  
Dry unless you want the roof to change size for the next several years.

Gerald J.



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