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Which brand of add-on wood furnace?

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FarmerSid

03-23-2005 03:10:21




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Hey all! Wanting to install a new add-on wood furnace to my existing 5 yr old Grimsby oil furnace. Been doing some looking around for one am wondering what you all think is the brand and model to get. I'm in eastern Ontario, Canada. So far I have found Newmac and Kerr. From what I have found, they seem to be about the same quality but the Kerr is a little more money. The Kerr has a steel drum for a fire box and the Newmac has a brick lined fire box. Ideally I would like to get one that has a coil built in to heat my domestic hot water. My home is 1500 sq ft. 2X6 exterior walls, new windows.

Are there any other brands that are available in Canada that I should be looking at? What do you all think of Newmac and Kerr?

Thanks for any help you all can give!

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Steve Pringle

04-07-2006 17:58:44




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 Re: Which brand of add-on wood furnace? in reply to FarmerSid, 03-23-2005 03:10:21  
Just a note on PSG and the Caddy in Quebec. I called them looking for more information on the Caddy and some of their other furnaces. I wanted to buy the Caddy but was informed that it wouldn't heat a house of my size 2600 sq ft on one story (my heat loss calc is 91 000 BTU). The BTU numbers that they quote in ALL their literature are input numbers even though they all say OUTPUT. That goes for both the wood and oil side of the wood/oil combo furnaces like the Caddy. I checked the Becket oil burner and the nozzle that they use and calculated the input BTU based on nossle flow per hour for a given nozzle size to give the BTU/hour power that the unit has on it's input side. Even their input numbers are 10 000 BTU/hour (BTU) higher than they really are. Even in the literature that comes with the furnace when you buy it says BTU at plenum (which is output) and matches the numbers in the specifications on another part of their site. In short I had to call the last engineer left there(other quite when SBI bought PSG) and fight through the language barrior to find out that the numbers are all INPUT. All of their dealer all across Canada are using the BTU numbers as output and people are buying furnaces that will not heat their house, they end up with a furnace that is way to small. In short they are liars and do not deal with them. I would buy Newmac. They are build like a brick sh*t house and they still do research and developement and have engineers on the payroll and have a lab facility. I don't trust PSG EPA ratings on the Caddy. They list it at 73% but I have a Summit Pacific Energy (lazy flame floating around in the stove and shooting flames out of the secondary combustion chamber). Its rated at only 70% and I have never seen a stove burn like this. I doubt the Caddy is as good as they advertise given that they publish false number.

Thanks,
Steve.

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buickanddeere

03-26-2005 12:02:10




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 Re: Which brand of add-on wood furnace? in reply to FarmerSid, 03-23-2005 03:10:21  
Neumac and Harmond make indoor boilers in stoker and manual feed. Just run water lines to a heat exchanger in the existing filter/fan/plenum system. May as well heat the house hot water too. You could even put the boiler in a garage,shop or car port. Keep the mess,dirt and smoke outside along with heating the shop/garage.



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Dave Eh

03-25-2005 05:01:08




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 Re: Which brand of add-on wood furnace? in reply to FarmerSid, 03-23-2005 03:10:21  
We had a Fawcett add-on. With the TSSA nonsense a couple of years ago we ended up getting rid of it. It did a good job of heating our place (2400 sq ft, 90 years old). I"m in Eastern Ontario as well.



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jdemaris

03-23-2005 20:45:49




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 Re: Which brand of add-on wood furnace? in reply to FarmerSid, 03-23-2005 03:10:21  
I'm assuming your oil furnace is hot-air, and you want to tie a hot-air wood furnace into the existing duct work? If so, the right way to do it is NOT to hook in series, or in simple parallel, but do it with a "backflow preventer" in the main furnace plenum which you might have to get made on-site. Any good furnace you buy will give some diagrams and probably won't honor the warranty unless you install the device. As far a choosing a model, good luck. I spent a long time looking around. I've been heating with wood for most of my life, but for various reasons, decided to updgrade. Tore out our old 1914 pot belly coal/wood stove and replaced it with a EPA rated woodstove - a Heartstone. We love it, and it's amazingly efficient as compared to the old stove. It's not sufficient to heat the entire house though when it's 25 below zero F. outside. So, I built an extra room and installed a wood-furnace which is tied in to the oil hot-air furnace in the basement. I found out that the Canadian regs. on stove pipe are stricter than the U.S. regs., so I ordered pipe from Canada. It has a higher burnout rating and better insulation than anything offered in the U.S. I was hoping to find a new wood furnace that used some newer combustion technology like all the wood stoves do now. But, anything called a "furnace" is exempt from EPA regs, so there are very few improvements - except in the advertising. As far as I know, there is only wood furnace that has been tested and approved by the EPA - and it's made in Qu�bec. I tried to buy one, and the French-Canadian refused to sell it to me. Maybe because I'm not French enough? I don't know. It got me quite frustrated. So, being uable to find anything that uses enhanced technology, I looked for a furnace that had the best durability. That let me to the Myers Co. They manufacture farm equipment and wood furnaces. Their largest model, the Woodchuck 4000 has 1/4" steel in the combustion chamber along with firebrick. So, I bought it. It works great - eats wood - but that's what I expected. I suppose the EPA rated Canadian furnace is more efficient - but guess I'll never find out. You're Canadian, correct? Brush up on your 18th century French, call them up, and see if they'll sell it to YOU. By the way, I'm not trying to insult the French-Canadians - but the version of French they speak is very close to what was used in France in the 18th century - whereas the French language today, in France, has changed considerably. Neither my mother or grandmother (both long deceased) who both came from Soutern France, could not converse with a French-Canadian - in French. So, they used English - a good common denominator. I'll stop digressing. Woodchuck furnace website is at: Link The EPA rated furnace in Qu�bec is made by PSG and is called the EPA Caddy. One of their sites is at: Link or a site that describes the EPA Caddy is at: Link If you get a chance, post some of the links for furnaces that YOU mentioned. I'd like to read the specs.

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N.H.

01-03-2006 09:37:25




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 Re: Which brand of add-on wood furnace? in reply to jdemaris, 03-23-2005 20:45:49  
Ihave a PSG add on and am very very unhappy.For further info, please ask and I would be more than happy to share with all.



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Dan Matten

10-10-2006 06:47:37




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 Re: Which brand of add-on wood furnace? in reply to N.H., 01-03-2006 09:37:25  
What are your problems with the PSG wood add-on furnace?
I'm looking for the most efficient add-on furnace.
What is your recommendation?

Dan Matten



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FarmerSid

03-26-2005 04:53:07




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 Re: Which brand of add-on wood furnace? in reply to jdemaris, 03-23-2005 20:45:49  
jdemaris, I hear your frustration when you inquired about the PSG EPA Caddy. When I got in touch with a few manufactures, they would not give me a price. I had to go through a dealer or installer to get a price.

Here is a few links on the Newmac and Kerr furnaces.

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Let me know what you think.

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Midwest redneck

03-23-2005 08:43:53




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 Re: Which brand of add-on wood furnace? in reply to FarmerSid, 03-23-2005 03:10:21  
I have a Lopi stove that I like (cord wood), heats nice but I am still thinking about getting a pellet stove, this thing will self feed and stay roasty toasty all day.



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FarmerSid

03-23-2005 13:26:36




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 Re: Which brand of add-on wood furnace? in reply to Midwest redneck, 03-23-2005 08:43:53  
I already have a woodstove up stairs that heats the whole first level. I have a kids play room in the basement but it is too cold in the winter to be down there. We have another child on the way so I would like to heat that area as well without using the oil or electricity. My wood room is in the basement 5 ft from where the wood furnace would be installed so I would not have to carry wood up stairs anymore and leave the mess down in the wood room. I have access to all the wood I will ever need. I have found some different makes but would like some opinions on what furnace I should be looking at.

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