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CAH1206

03-22-2005 06:19:43




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Putting a concrete floor in our shop and the floor is going to be sloped so water runs out the door, has anyone ever buried any electric heating strips of any kind under the overhead door to prevent door from freezing in the winter? What would you use to do this.Thank You




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720Deere

03-24-2005 10:23:09




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to CAH1206, 03-22-2005 06:19:43  
A friend of mine has a 60 by 40 shop that is heated with the Pex tubing/water heater method. The water heater is propane fired and he claims that it costs him $8/day in the coldest months of winter (25 degree avg temp). They keep the air temp around 56 degrees in the shop and believe it or not, that's plenty warm. The best part is that nothing in the shop is cold. Everything heats from the floor up. You can lay on the concrete for hours and not freeze your butt off.

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Quebec Bob

03-23-2005 08:24:10




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to CAH1206, 03-22-2005 06:19:43  
Look up an Ontario company called Heatline on the internet. Good products for this.



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Leland

03-22-2005 14:50:45




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to CAH1206, 03-22-2005 06:19:43  
In car wash floors they use a polly tubing for floor heat and you can heat whole shop floor with this product,and you could use a wood boiler and heat shop cheap with forced air heat to boot a warn floor is nice to lay on to fix stuff anyway. And they run a 50-50 mix of AF to keep lines from freezing.



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evilboweviel

03-22-2005 12:07:37




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to CAH1206, 03-22-2005 06:19:43  
Highly recomend you install hot water heat under the whole floor. You will appreciate it every winter.
Ron



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Jerry A.

03-22-2005 10:52:52




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to CAH1206, 03-22-2005 06:19:43  
If you're just interested in the area by the door, then I'd suggest some electric heating elements (there are components made just for that purpose). Once they melt the ice, they also warm the surface and the water evaporates. Then you can turn off the heat. I think you have a good idea.

Try searching the internet or contacting your local heating and AC supplier. They might have some leads on sources of the elements.

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CAH1206

03-22-2005 11:29:22




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to Jerry A., 03-22-2005 10:52:52  
Yes that is what I am looking for.



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ww

03-23-2005 04:09:49




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to CAH1206, 03-22-2005 11:29:22  

I have had elec cables in the concrete under my sliding doors for 8 yrs. also, I don't have to get close with the snow plow.



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Bob

03-22-2005 11:45:18




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to CAH1206, 03-22-2005 11:29:22  
Whatever you do, put in an extra loop or two, whether it be electric heating cable, or the pipe I suggested. Thatway, if one fails under the concrete, you'll have backups.

Electric heating cable for ice melting under sidewalks, etc., was once popular around my area. A lot of the cable failed prematurely, perhaps there's a lot better stuff on the market know.

That's why I suggested simply putting tubing under the cement, and keeping the electrical part where it's accessable for repairs.

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CAH1206

03-22-2005 13:28:00




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to Bob, 03-22-2005 11:45:18  
One problem, I have no boiler out there, don't want to install one to heat a 16' wide by 12" piece of concrete.In floor heat is not an option at this point.



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greywynd

03-24-2005 15:14:05




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to CAH1206, 03-22-2005 13:28:00  
I know a couple guys I work with that have built new places in the last couple of years. They put tubing in before pouring the floor, even though they didn't have boilers. They figured that a few dollars worth of tubing was cheap if they ever wanted to add in the option later. I know if/when I build a shop I'll be doing the same thing, who knows what heating changes will be available after a few years?

Mark

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Kirk Grau

03-22-2005 14:09:53




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to CAH1206, 03-22-2005 13:28:00  
Doesn"t really take a full fledged boiler since you don"t need very high temps. In most cases a water heater (gas/electric/oil/propane/pick your poison) will suffice. If you price some of the electric mat options, it might start to look more favorable also.



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Bob

03-22-2005 08:39:18




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 Re: heating concrete in reply to CAH1206, 03-22-2005 06:19:43  
Put a couple of loops of PEX tubing with oxygen barrier in sand under the concrete, and then use a water heater or other type of hydronic boiler and a pump to circulate the heated water through the tubing loops



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