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OT: Slow sap run so far

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Mac in Ontario

03-18-2005 17:47:05




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Hello all. Haven't been here in awhile. Thanks for your responses to my earlier post.

buickanddeere: To collect the sap, we're using buckets and shanks pony. All taps are within about 500 feet of our evaporator.
Our evaporator's a 2ft x 4ft x 12" inch deep pan on half an oval oil drum with a square tube base and angle iron top frame. I lined the inside with fire brick and it works pretty well. Would be nice if the rear floor of the firebox was a little closer to the bottom of the pan, like a conventional arch - conventional arches are a lot more money than this was though.
Out of 50 taps, we've made about 4 gallons of syrup in the last 12 days.
Today was about the best - sunny and a little above freezing - a little bit of sunshine makes all the difference. Nights are staying cold - that's good. Rain and snow forecast for the weekend. If sap stops for a couple days it may be just as well - I'm coming down with something.

dr.sportster:
I understand all maple sap contains some sugar - hard maple is the best. If you're not familiar with the appearance of a hard maple without its leaves on, best to get some help or wait until next year after identifying the leaves in the summertime. Hard maple leaves have short, fat 'fingers' or lobes as opposed to long thin ones. The leaves are also more brilliant in the fall than soft maples'

davidj:
I understand about the Scotsman thing (last name's Mcdonald) - I boiled all the ice

Bernie in MA:
I've been getting good results with a candy thermometer and the seven degree rule. Now for taffy, or hard candy - what's the temp differential ?

Ibby:
Good advice to wait until the run starts in earnest before drilling holes. The first 25 holes 'sputtered' for the first 5 cold days. Drilled the last 25 holes when it was warmer, and now regardless of the weather, those last 25 holes are much better producers (I'd say at least 100% better).
Our season is a bit earlier than yours. In recent years, we can expect to be started on or about the first of March.


Be back later

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Davidj

03-20-2005 06:33:59




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to Mac in Ontario, 03-18-2005 17:47:05  
With a name like McDonald you"d be in good company here in Glengarry. About half of the old families around here are MacDonalds. And the rest of us are part MacDonald to one extent or another. I"m a MacPhee but am 3/4ths MacDonald/MacDonell. They all have nicknames too. Mostly using the fathers and grandfather"s names ie; my grandmother was a Dan Jim Bhan MacDonald or my other Granny was a Allan Peter DD MacDonald married to Jerome Archie Roy MacDonell. Any of that go on down your way?? Looks like the sap"s going to run to-day. Its 0*C at 9:30 AM and bright &sunny. The trees here haven"t "let go" yet so hopefully to-day will get things underway. Good luck

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buickanddeere

03-20-2005 23:12:04




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to Davidj, 03-20-2005 06:33:59  
Try Bruce County just north of you. For a bunch of red headed Scots that are way too closely related.



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Davidj

03-21-2005 05:22:37




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to buickanddeere, 03-20-2005 23:12:04  
I hear yuh. The car was invented just in time around here too.



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buickanddeere

03-21-2005 11:31:21




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to Davidj, 03-21-2005 05:22:37  
I've heard it said more than once about it being ,way out of town, way over in Paisley, all the way down to Lucknow. In reference going 5 to 15 miles from where you were born and raised to date someone. I've never seen such "closed" clannish communities. Still full snow cover here but I'll bet the sap is running today with that warm sun and very light warm breeze.



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Davidj

03-21-2005 15:56:39




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to buickanddeere, 03-21-2005 11:31:21  
Well actually the folks here are a little more selective than that around here and with all the new people moving here from the city the gene pool is getting more diversified. Now if you go about an hour west of here and south of Ottawa you"d see all kinds of long-necked, low-eared, cross-eyed folks from a place called Keelerville. They"re all related to themselves and from the looks of them, a few ways. Usually see them at sales buying all the junk for a dollar and adding it to the heap around the house. Hey,, wait a minute, I just described myself. Oh well at least I"m not my own grandpa

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buickanddeere

03-22-2005 01:09:42




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to Davidj, 03-21-2005 15:56:39  
Good grief. That sounds like the Greenoch Swamp which is west of Teeswater. Should we arrange a dating service?



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Davidj

03-22-2005 04:13:20




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to buickanddeere, 03-22-2005 01:09:42  
Might need a bullet-proof camera for the ads.



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Ibby

03-19-2005 03:55:02




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to Mac in Ontario, 03-18-2005 17:47:05  
Finished up the arch last night. It's angle iron framework with 18 gauge panels. Firebox is 24 high by 30 wide, by 24 deep, tapering to 6 inches high under the back part of the pan. I expected to build it in a couple days, but got 2 weeks and 20 lbs of welding rod in it. Didn't help that I was teaching my middle son to weld and we had to grind off and reweld a LOT.

Borrowed a bucket washer from a buddy yesterday. My wife will wash buckets today while I set up the pan and arch. We'll tap tomorrow, and hopefully do our first boil Monday. The firebrick is backordered, but supposed to be here Monday morn. If not, I'll use it just as it is.

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greywynd

03-18-2005 20:43:59




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to Mac in Ontario, 03-18-2005 17:47:05  
Just thought I would mention, helped a friend and co-worker build an evaporator like yours, also using the oil tank for a firebox. We lined the bottom with sand to get the desired shape, then put the firebrick on top of it.

I remember the 219 F, (7 above water boil point), afraid I don't recall the temps for taffy or sugar. Most times sugar is done on a finishing pan, or sometimes on the stove where you can keep a close eye on it.

Mark

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dr.sportster

03-18-2005 20:22:06




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to Mac in Ontario, 03-18-2005 17:47:05  
Mac thanks for getting back.Im surrounded by some type of maples, some different than others.I will educate myself more before drilling any trees,but was always interested in it.Especially since I buy the real thing instead of the corn syrup fake type.Its expensive. Also a Scotchman,I take great pride in my thriftyness[like I was a cheapskate or am a cheapskate]Allright I admit it plain cheap.



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Rod (NH)

03-18-2005 18:59:54




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to Mac in Ontario, 03-18-2005 17:47:05  
Hi Mac,

We started last Tuesday here in southern NH:
third party image My wife and I do it for fun each year. We only have 4 taps (two trees) but that provides us all the syrup we generally use ourselves. Near 40 during the days here and around 20+ at night. Good for sap collecting. Looks like it's going to be about the same for the next few days.

third party image Rod

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Mac in Ontario

03-18-2005 19:21:54




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to Rod (NH), 03-18-2005 18:59:54  
Rod:

How did you post that photo ?
Copy and paste doesn't work for me.

Thanks - Mac



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Rod (NH)

03-18-2005 20:44:34




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 Re: OT: Slow sap run so far in reply to Mac in Ontario, 03-18-2005 19:21:54  
Mac,

Just copy and paste certainly will never work, as you have found out. 1. You must first have your photo located somewhere on a web server computer. It can be in one of the photo archives at this site (you'd have to upload it from your computer to one of the archives). It can also be on any other server that hosts photos on the web. I sometimes use my own web page that is located on my ISP's server as a source. The photo in my post this time however, is located on a server owned by a company that specifically provides free photo hosting services and also permits direct linking to the photos so they can be used at other sites like this one.

2. To get a photo to show up in a post box, you must provide the necessary special html coding directly in your post text that refers to the internet location of the photo you want to show up. That coding takes the following form:

[img src="URL of photo"]

Except that [ needs to be replaced with < and ] needs to be replaced with >. If I had actually used < and > in the above, you'd see that dreaded square with a red X in it, like so:

third party image

The text between the double quotation marks (URL of photo) is the internet location and name of the photo. For example, I typed this in my post box to make the photo show up:

[img src="http://img219.exs.cx/img219/9763/maplesap1ce.jpg"]

Where < and > have been replaced by [ and ]. The name of the photo is maplesap1ce.jpg and the rest of the stuff between the quotes is the identification of the internet server where the photo is located. In other words, if you typed (or copy and pasted) this:

Link

directly into your web browser address space, you would see only the photo.

3. You should resize any photo as needed to keep the size no larger than 640x480 pixels. That's the size of the one I posted. Anything larger is not respectful of those with slow dialup connections. Larger images simply take too long to download. In fact, if you upload your photo to any of the archives on this site I believe it will automatically be reduced in size to something like 350 pixels maximum width. The format also has to be either .jpg (most common) or .gif.

This all probably sounds complex but it really isn't. Once you actually get used to doing it, it's quite easy. The first time is always the hardest. Everything in that coding has to be exact though. If you leave out the space between img and src or put a space in between src and the = or any other changes except in the URL address itself, you'll wind up with the red X instead of your photo. Fortunately, this site has a post preview feature that lets you see if there are going to be any problems before the actual post. That way, if there is a problem with the photo showing up, you'll know it right away and can go back and correct it before posting.

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