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why did my MIG welder start sputtering?

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WayneH

03-13-2005 09:11:19




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My old Airco MIG welder started driving me nuts yesterday when I was welding a Befco fertilizer spreader. The first welds were fine, and now all it does it pop, sputter, and the weld looks like hell. It's a fireworks display when I try and put a bead down.

The tank shows 300 pounds of gas, and my regulator is set to 20 PSI. I tried it on thin 1/8 and up to 3/8 and it still does it. The metal I am working with is clean, and I've tried a few different samples. It's driving me nuts.

Someplace I saw said the wire could be damp. Who knows, but it's in my wifes oven right now at 150 degrees to see if that helps.

Any help would be appreciated

Wayne

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John K

03-14-2005 07:35:39




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 Re: why did my MIG welder start sputtering? in reply to WayneH, 03-13-2005 09:11:19  
Not famillar with your welder, but it sounds to me that one or more of the diodes (rectifiers) are shot. I would first go through the list that T-bone listed. If you still have a problem, check out your diodes. Usually when one fails, it takes another one out. Were you pushing the amperage higher than normal.



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T_Bone

03-13-2005 23:50:15




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 Re: why did my MIG welder start sputtering? in reply to WayneH, 03-13-2005 09:11:19  
Hi Wayne,

Wire at 150º still has moister as water boils at 212º. You would need about 250º to drive off the moister but that's probably not your problem.

Is the wire clean? No ruff spots? If the surface is dirty that could be your problem. I had a kangaroo rat pi$$ on one of my spools and ruined most of the spool.

Gas coverage is also probably not your problem. The first signs of low gas flow or wrong gas type is a charred or sugar covered weld face. Next would come surface porosity (tiny bubbles). Some times, in very rare cases, you can have a pin hole leak in the gas line that will cause a suction air leak that simulates low gas coverage.

Here's my list of Mig problems:

First check the tip to make sure it's feeding wire free.

Next check the liner to see if it's clean and not binding.

Next check the liner feed tip to make sure it's not grooved and the wire hanging up there.

Next take the drive rolls off and cut off a small piece of wire and place it between the rolls grooves while holding upto the sunlight and if the drive roll faces are touching then the wire gooves are worn and the drive rolls needs replaced. Some drive rolls have two different grooves for different wire sizes and make sure they match wire size when you reinstall them. They will be stamped for the correct wire size on the edge of the drive roll.

Next check the tennsion on the wire spool. It should be firm but not hard when trying to unspool wire. The center nut adjusts the spool tennsion. If it binds or won't spool off smoothly then clean the wire spool drive tennsion adjustment.

If the wire has rust or other forgien material either clean the wire or replace it. Also watch for the wire crossing over another wire causing binding.

Always check the ground clamp for a good connection. Move the clamp as close too the weld zone as possible to remove any doubts.

T_Bone

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the tractor vet

03-13-2005 21:13:24




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 Re: why did my MIG welder start sputtering? in reply to WayneH, 03-13-2005 09:11:19  
It would not be a DIP AND STICK 160 would it ?? Did you replace the tip, Are your drive rolls slippen . And it just might be the coil or the printed circuit board. . If the coil is toaste ya just might as well go get a new machine because parts are hard to come by and they are not cheep . My brother trashed my coil on mine when he took it with out my permission to go weld on his buddys race car an he is by no means a welder and he let the tip get filled up with splatter and he shorted it out it only cost me 879 bucks to get it fixed if i had knowen up front i would have scrapped it and went and bought a new miller shop masterand been done with it.

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John Niolon

03-13-2005 18:38:59




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 Re: why did my MIG welder start sputtering? in reply to WayneH, 03-13-2005 09:11:19  
I'd bet on shielding gas.... pressure could be low or you could have a blocked gun from slag...

clean your tip, check your pressure.. you should be able to hear the gas at the gun...

john



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Coloken

03-13-2005 12:19:33




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 Re: why did my MIG welder start sputtering? in reply to WayneH, 03-13-2005 09:11:19  
Wayne, I am realy guessing here so don't believe me too much. What kind of gas? I have heard of mixtures seperating...maybe that and act like it is out of gas? Don't think dampness would hurt straight wire. Could mess up core wire. Kenny



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WayneH

03-13-2005 13:04:50




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 Re: why did my MIG welder start sputtering? in reply to Coloken, 03-13-2005 12:19:33  
yea, I don't know if the gas can seperate when the pressure gets low and the tank is almost empty? Who knows, but I'll find out this week I hope when I fill up this tank.

I use Argon and C02, I think it's 75% argon and 25% CO2.

thanks
Wayne



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DL

03-13-2005 10:44:25




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 Re: why did my MIG welder start sputtering? in reply to WayneH, 03-13-2005 09:11:19  
Hi Wayne,
My guess would be that you're outta shielding gas. The cylinder should be pressured to around 1800 - 2000 psi when full... 300 psi is essentially empty! Since you already have the wire out of your machine, turn it on & pull the trigger... you should be albe to HEAR the gas coming from the nozzle... if not... there's yer problem!!! Regards, DL



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WayneH

03-13-2005 11:31:51




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 Re: why did my MIG welder start sputtering? in reply to DL, 03-13-2005 10:44:25  

Thanks DL. I'm low on gas, but I can still hold 20 PSI at the regulator output, and I can hear the gas "hissing" out. I baked my wire in my wifes oven at 170 degrees for two hours to see if that would dry it if it was maybe damp, but no luck on that. I'll fill the tank just for the heck of it since it is so low, and then see what happens. Maybe it's time for a new welder....

Is there a chance a diode/rectifier could be bad?

Wayne

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