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Grinder Motor Gone Bad

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thynes

03-12-2005 08:31:03




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I have a bench grinder motor that went south on me the other day. When I turned it on it made a funny noise and only spun up to about half speed.

I has a centrifugal capacitor start and it never got fast enough to fling the weights back.

I opened the unit up and checked for shorts to ground, burned wires, etc., but didn't find any problems.

I took the capacitor out of the circuit and tried to start it, but it was very resistant to spin. However I gave the shaft a spin and it started to turn, but again only at about half speed. This leads me to believe the starting cap works...?

What gives, do you think the windings are shorted internally? I only spend 30 bucks on this 14 years ago and I have used the bejeezes out of it, so it doesn't owe me any money, but it would be nice to fix it.

Thaks in advance, Tim

P.S. Snowing today here in MA for about the zillionth time this year!

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davefr

03-14-2005 16:00:02




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 Re: Grinder Motor Gone Bad in reply to thynes, 03-12-2005 08:31:03  
I've rebuilt a tons of induction motors.

It could be worn or dirty bearings. If the bearings are worn the rotor will not be perfectly centered in the stator. That could cause it to run slow or even lock up. There should be no up or down play between the shaft and the bearings.

It could also be dirty or dry bearings that are preventing the motor from reaching speed necessary to kick off the centrifical switch. It could also be a sluggish centrifical switch mechanism.

It could also be a bad winding but that's not too common.

I'd completely disassemble the motor and clean everything with non flammable electric motor degreaser. It won't hurt the windings.

Now make sure the centrifical switch assembly has good clean contacts and moves in and out easily.
Make sure the bearings get a good blast of cleaner. After the cleaner dries, oil them up with a ISO68 non detergent oil. (synthetic is preferable but you can also use 3 in 1 if you get the grade for motors). Make sure any wicking surrounding the bearing also gets a shot of oil.

Polish the rotor shaft with 600 grit wet or dry sandpaper then coat it with a thin film of oil.

Re-assemble making sure both end caps are tightened flush with the end of the case or you'll get some bearing bind.

Does it work OK now?

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Vern-MI

03-13-2005 04:58:10




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 Re: Grinder Motor Gone Bad in reply to thynes, 03-12-2005 08:31:03  
It appears that your start windings are not being disconnected by the centrifugal switch. If it doesn't disconnect then your motor will continue to run at the slower start winding speed. Look for problems with the switch such as dirt or wear of the centrifugal switch parts.

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Bud in NC

03-13-2005 04:48:16




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 Re: Grinder Motor Gone Bad in reply to thynes, 03-12-2005 08:31:03  
If your gonna blow it out, try denatured alcohol - outside and away from sparks! Oil will cause more dust and crud to stick to your windings. Gasoline may explode, acetone might melt the insulation on your winding and explode, MEK might blow up, etc - alcohol isn't a great motor cleaner but you usually live to tell about it. Make sure you blow ALL the alcohol out of the motor before you energize it again.

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hay

03-13-2005 02:33:17




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 Re: Grinder Motor Gone Bad in reply to thynes, 03-12-2005 08:31:03  
maybe this is just a long shot, but, blow it out with compressed air. every where you can get to and perhaps try some pent oil or something like wd-40 to free it up. who knows, you might just get lucky and it will start working correctly again. at least it does not cost anything to try.



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Steve Crum

03-12-2005 21:04:36




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 Re: Grinder Motor Gone Bad in reply to thynes, 03-12-2005 08:31:03  
You might want to check the contacts (points) of the centrifugal starter to be sure they are clean and not burned together. These I believe come together as the motor reaches about half speed to put full power to all windings to go to full speed.



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Mike w J

03-12-2005 18:29:00




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 Re: Grinder Motor Gone Bad in reply to thynes, 03-12-2005 08:31:03  
did you check the brushes



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davefr

03-14-2005 15:36:38




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 Re: Grinder Motor Gone Bad in reply to Mike w J, 03-12-2005 18:29:00  
Split phase induction motors don't use brushes. (that's why they use starting caps)



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MAC,IL

03-12-2005 09:23:59




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 Re: Grinder Motor Gone Bad in reply to thynes, 03-12-2005 08:31:03  
Sounds like bad starter windings.



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dr.sportster

03-12-2005 08:42:10




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 Re: Grinder Motor Gone Bad in reply to thynes, 03-12-2005 08:31:03  
Sounds like the end of its usefull life.I had a Sun [Japan] from snap-on,lasted really long then I went to a place called Tooltown and told them I wanted a real commercial weld shop type.Came out with a .6 hp Dewalt made in China but not what I really wanted but The Dewalt is powerful enough for my usage.Had to use math to get the horsepower as the nameplate only gave amperage.I am happy so far.

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