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Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank

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Richard Fazio

03-12-2005 06:31:34




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I have an old oil tank that I want to cut open. I'm a little leary of cutting it and sending sparks inside. I was going to use a sawsall after making a few pilot holes. I figured I'd ask if anyone has any suggestions on cutting it safely. If I had it near a water supply I'd fill it with water first, but it's at my farm upstate NY where water is not plentifull right now. Filling it with 275 gallons would be hard. Also I'd have to get rid of all that oily water.

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Kevin (FL)

03-15-2005 18:41:03




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
Richard,

Assuming you're going to cut up the tank despite the good advice not to (given below), is the tank connected to something or in a basement or where you can't drag it to a water source? If so, that's what I would do--get to some water and do a good cleaning. Read the post below where I answered a question last year about cleaning a fuel tank.

If you must cut the tank up, you need to make sure all fuel residue has been removed and add as much water/detergent mix as possible. To gas-free the tank, connect your truck or tractor exhaust to the largest and highest point tank fitting available and let the exhaust vent out the lowest fitting available--like the drain fitting. Continue running the truck until the gas mixture coming out the bottom is gas free. To verify the mixture (assuming you don't have a gas meter), place a milk jug over the outlet fitting and fill it with the gas leaving the tank. Now place a match or lighter over the jug as you squeeze out the gas--the flame should go out instantly. If you get a flame-up, then you haven't removed the explosive gas--continue running the exhaust and check again. Don't make this flame check near the tank!!!

More advice--strap your torch to the longest pole you can find (16' or more) and place the torch flame against the tank to burn the first hole. You should place yourself behind a tree or something solid while you do this--this is just insurance in case you don't do a proper gas-free on the tank and detonation occurs.

Last advice---have help nearby with fire extinguishers and plenty of water and an ambulance wouldn't hurt either. As long as you perform the gas-free correctly, the tank will not ignite because there's no oxygen to support combustion--only carbon monoxide and a few other inert gases.

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davefr

03-14-2005 07:12:56




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
I just decomissioned my 500 gallon underground gasoline tank yesterday.

It was bone dry inside with no built up residue. (I had already pumped it dry years ago and kept it vented). I used the dry ice method, (ie 10# distributed down each fitting), to purge any gas fumes. After that I decapitated a 2' X 6' section of the top with a cordless Sawzall and 14 tpi bi metal blades. The cutting went better then I thought. (30 minutes or so and I went thru 3 blades).

Then I filled it with dirt and compacted it as best I could.

I'd be much more concerned with an oil tank since it could have oil residue buildup on the walls.

Good luck.

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Davis In SC

03-13-2005 18:56:19




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
Skip down & read my post about the guy cutting the drum..... It flew 100 feet, set building on fire, & he has burns on 40% of his body. I heard today, that he is not doing well. Even if he fully recovers, his life is changed forever by one careless act.



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REDEYE

03-13-2005 13:22:54




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
Well with fuel tanks I have always figured that you only have one chance, no mistakes allowed. Although people do cut and weld on them I wouldn't trust myself to do that. I think that an abrasive waterjet cutter would be the only way I would attempt this. that or hire a reputable profesional.



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Jerry (KS)

03-13-2005 10:46:56




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
I wonder how filling the tank with "fire dept. foam" and then cutting would work? Just an idea.



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bill b va

03-13-2005 10:41:35




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  

i have made several safe for cutting by burning . out in a safe area away from people , animals and combustionables pile up brush and other materials to build a good fire . put tank on top of fire pile WITH ALL PUGS REMOVED . use fire starter (fuel oil) all around to get a good fire going . light and get WAY WAY back . as the tank gets hot it will make a low ummming sound as the fumes escape and burn . this is not to say it can't explode . my tanks were free so i wouldn't be out much if it did explode .

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davefr

03-13-2005 06:03:47




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
Does anyone happen to know what guage steel is commonly used for these old tanks??



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Bernie in MA

03-13-2005 17:04:36




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to davefr, 03-13-2005 06:03:47  
The 275s have a tag on them, usually on the top near one end. The old ones were 14 ga, newer 12 ga. I've seen some that the ends were thicker.



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T_Bone

03-13-2005 01:57:39




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
Hi Richard,

"Filling it with 275 gallons would be hard. Also I'd have to get rid of all that oily water."

This statement alone says you need to let a professional remove the tank. Why? Well if it's too hard to take the time to do the job correct, what else are you willing you cheat on to get the job done?

Dull a sawsall blade and keep cutting until it's cherry red cause it's too far to travel to get another blade? Is this where you draw the line?

I think you get my point.

Any time you have a carbon source (crude oil, grain dust, saw dust, weeds, etc) and a oxygen source all you need is a source of ignition and we have a boom.

Enclose that carbon and oxygen source inside a container will cause the container to build pressure "if" the fuel finds a ignition source.

When that pressure exceeds the volume of the container then we have a explosion as the pressure has to go some where so it expands the container until the internal pressure is relieved.

Fuel oil tanks are probably more dangerous than most other fuels as they appear empty but in reality oil has built up on the inside walls of the container thus contains more carbon volume.

A Phoenix auto repair shop had a mechanic killed as his co-worker exploded a gas tank that blew a chunk of metal into the air, then came thru a canvas roof 25ft away and hit the other worker on the head killing him. The orginal mechanic that caused the explosion lived, if you can call that living.

This is one area that learning via internet is just plain wrong. Wiring by internet is another.
There's just too much safety to cover in one short thread on the subjects.

And we do want you around next year so we can chat!

T_Bone

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thurlow

03-12-2005 19:55:21




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
You name it and I've cut it and everybody who's ever cut into them had to start somewhere, but..... ...(no offense intended)if you're asking advice on-line about something this dangerous, with intention of doing it..... ..... ..what can I say? You're on your own. I would recommend getting on-site.....as opposed to on-line.....help.



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old art

03-12-2005 19:52:56




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
how about an air chisel with a muffler cutter bitonly my 2 cents .. or you could plug all the holes in tank and fill the basement to float it out good luck what ever you do!! art



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Mike M

03-12-2005 15:49:41




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
DO NOT run a hose from your exhaust into that tank. I tried that once and had more problems than nothing at all. It made a BOOM ! The exhaust was running rich and I think it put gas fumes in the tank. It think I like the sawsall idea use some good lenox blades and maybe some cutting oil,should help reduce the sparks.



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JOHNK

03-12-2005 15:46:21




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
I cut my 550 gal with a sawzall,the top half came down so fast it just missed me.My neighboor told me it could explode but I was to stupid to listen,luckly nothing happened.



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Redmud

03-12-2005 15:31:02




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
I had a guy that worked for me in the 70's that did lots of tank repair. he used flex exhaust tubing, one end in the exhaust on his truck, other end in the tank. He would let his truck run 10-15 minutes before he would weld or cut on the tank, and it would run as long as he was working on the tank. this guy didn't care if the tank was full of gas, half full or empty. it was all the same to him.

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buickanddeere

03-12-2005 14:21:41




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
If the #2 fuel oil is suspended as a vapour. The boom will be about the same as if the fumes were gasoline.



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old blue

03-12-2005 11:49:30




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
ok now nobody crucifie me right away but if i was out in the country and wanted to make sure it was safe to us a tourch id dump maybe 20 ounces of gas into the tank and get a nicew long fuse like the leg of an old pair of pants. put it to the opening and light it then get the hell back. then after it all burned out its safe to cut. what do you all think i know it isnt the safestway but then again its not very expensive

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steve(ill)

03-13-2005 05:56:56




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to old blue, 03-12-2005 11:49:30  
yea, if you ever try that give me a call, i would like to film it also, from very very far away.



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greywynd

03-12-2005 13:00:25




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to old blue, 03-12-2005 11:49:30  
All i can say is make sure your affairs are in order before you try it, and don't take anyone else with you.

We won't need to crucify you, you look like you're going to do a fine job of it yourself.

Mark



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old blue

03-12-2005 14:29:44




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to greywynd, 03-12-2005 13:00:25  
thanks man id hate to be crucified that would just down right hurt. and dont worry if i ever decided to try my idea out id have all my buddies far enough away to get a good video of the explosion. thanks again i enjoy not using my head for anythign other than a hat rack. and needless to say im not thinking clearly today so its a good darn thing this wasnt my project



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Carol Martin

03-12-2005 11:21:28




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
The best way that I KNOW OF to be safe is to just throw in couple pounds of Dry Ice.. I had a gas tank on my tractor sprung a leak.. put in about 1/2 pound of dry ice and the instant you put the torch near the opening it went out instantly.. Water doesnt really work with gasoline. you just cannot get the fumes out of it.



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Bernie in MA

03-12-2005 10:50:06




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
I've cut a lot of tanks in half to make shipping tubs, used a sawzall. I've cut some with a torch. The only time I had any trouble was once when I was welding a door frame on the end for a stove I burned thru and dropped a bunch redhot steel into the sludge at the bottom. Didn't have an extinguisher but baking soda wouldn't put it out. Luckily it was outside. A guy that knows about oil refining said it reached it's "cracking temperature".

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Bus Driver

03-12-2005 09:51:05




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
The weather is still cool- good. Work in the shade, use the sawzall. When one end is out, you can cut with torch. If it ever has had gasoline, cut it only if filled with water.



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greywynd

03-12-2005 09:22:18




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
The insurance companies here have been hounding everyone to put new tanks in. I know the furnace guys often have to cut them to get them out of basements. They use a sawzall, fine blade, and ear protection, you can't hear yourself think when cutting one.

Mark



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dr.sportster

03-12-2005 08:13:46




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
I like sawzall and picnic table chest protector.



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Don L C

03-12-2005 07:19:03




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
If you plan to use water and cut with electrial tools ----Be sure to use a "GROUND FAULT" extension coard..... .



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David - OR

03-12-2005 06:58:49




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
I hired someone to decommission a buried fuel oil tank. The tank had not been used in several years, but had a small amount of fuel still in it.

He dug down to the tank, drilled a hole, and sawed an access opening with a Sawzall. He made no special effort to deal with potential for fire or vapors, and apparently does it that way all the time. I'm not that surprised -- fuel oil is not like gasoline and from my observations isn't very likely to form explosive vapors or ignite from sparks, especially when in a cool undergrounad tank.

That said, the "official policy" (and the safest thing to do) is to "inert" the tank, by filling it with something which will not burn and is heavier than air. Dry ice is commonly used, applied at a rate of 1.5 pounds per 100 gallons of tank capacity. Crush it up and try to get it distributed into both ends of the tank. Another possible idea (a little less safe than the dry ice) is to duct vehicle exhaust into one end of the tank, while venting the other.

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Phi in IA

03-12-2005 06:40:40




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Richard Fazio, 03-12-2005 06:31:34  
You could fill the tank with an inert gas like co2 or argon. then cut or dill. you would have to keep the gas on a constant inflow to be sure it was full. No oxygen no fire. I have done this to weld a fuel tank before. anyone got a better way? Talk to some people at a welding shop, they could help alot.



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kraigWY

03-12-2005 07:21:11




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 Re: Cutting An Old #2 Fuel Tank in reply to Phi in IA, 03-12-2005 06:40:40  
Run an exhaust hose from your truck into the tank. leave the truck running while you cut the tank.



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