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O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car

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Brian in NY

03-10-2005 05:27:39




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Well, my son and I worked together on the car last night...thanks everybody for the tips. I can't believe these little things sell for $250 on ebay...what a rip! Each scout gets a pre-packaged kit which is standarized..so they do all start off the same. I agree that unless he is very involved, there is no point in it. I want to help him succeed, but not at the expense of souring the experience. We had fun...he designed the body work...it looks kind of weird...but it is futuristic looking. He picked the paint color (Arctic Cat green), and did the sanding. I was not comfortable letting him use the saw as he has zero experience with this. Heck, he goes about 45 pounds, doesn't have the appropriate strength to avoid getting hurt. To me it is not worth the risk. But he was very excited...talking a mile a minute and so on. So she is formed and painted, tonight the wheels go on and some decals to spice er up....but I gotta wonder...How am I gonna grind these wheels down uniformly? I don't have any high tech gadgets...and the race is tommorrow night. As almost all have mentioned, the point is that he has fun and that I don't have to lie about the fact that he built it. That being said I sure hope he wins at least one heat, just so he can feel the thrill of victory....but then again if not...we will remember what we did wrong and next year we will give it another shot! Either way he is a winner to me for putting in the effort. He could be off playing video games, but he takes a real big interest in working with tools and spending time in the shop.
I'll try to post a picture of him and the car once it's all ready to roll. By the way his name is Henry and he is just as big of a tractor nut as his old man and his Papa. I am restoring an old Massey '7' lawn tractor for him to put around on this summer. I'll take the deck off and keep a close eye on him, but I want to teach him safe equipment use before there is a chance that he would hop on without my knowing and get hurt. I think knowing the basics (clutch, throttle, brake, gear, etc.) will be a good start. Sorry for the long Post...I know this Pine Wood Derby stuff doesn't really belong on this board, but I think of you guys as my buddies and value your input.

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DRL

03-10-2005 18:41:59




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to Brian in NY, 03-10-2005 05:27:39  
Brian,

Sounds like you guys are on the way to a winning car whether it wins a heat in the race or not. I missed your first post, so may repeat some that others have already said. I have two boys who went through Tiger Cubs all the way to Boy Scouts. My youngest is 17 now and is working on his Eagle Scout project. I have helped in their den and later troop from the time they started. A super way to spend time with your son. As far as the car goes, the only thing we did with the wheels were to sand the burs off the edges and axle hubs. Polished the axles with some polish and used a liberal amount of graphite. After mounting the wheels, we would put them on a flat surface and made sure that all four wheels were running straight, true, and level, then put a touch of Elmer's glue on the axle where it goes into the slot in the wood. We made sure that the car weighed the maximum amount with most of the weight in the rear. We drilled holes in the bottom of the car and wedged fishing weights in the holes. We had one car that won third place in the local pack race and went on to the regionals. Our cars were all shapes and sizes. The boys designed the cars themselves and, like yours, did all the work except the rough cutout. Sure, the car may not win as many races as if the parent did all the work, but that is not the point. They did it themselves and were proud of their creation. When you go to your Pinewood Derby, you will probably see at least one car that the parent did, and it may well win the derby. Then again, some of the most unlikely looking candidates will blow the doors off the parent made car. Also, this is a good lesson that you don't win every time. Too many sports for the younger kids are designed to make everyone a winner. In real life, you don't win all the time, and when they are young is the time to learn this lesson, not when they get out on their own. Bottom line is to have fun, learn a little, and make memories.

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Bob - MI

03-10-2005 11:06:58




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to Brian in NY, 03-10-2005 05:27:39  
Brian,

Do you have any precision tools? If so you can spin the wheels on one of the axles in your power drill or drill press. Use a micrometer or dial caliper to measure each wheel and use an emery board on them to shave them down. Work slowly and carefully and you can get them all to match. Use tape on the axle to get a snug enough fit to hold the wheel in place.



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Vern-MI

03-10-2005 09:49:26




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to Brian in NY, 03-10-2005 05:27:39  
You are at the best point in your relationship with your son. Be VERY involved with him no matter whether it is Soap Box Racers or baseball , football, basketball, swimming, homework, speach assignments, photography, english and math assigments. Share in both his grief and his victories. He will learn the value of teamwork and how it produces a win win situation. Looks like you are well on your way to becomming each others best friend. I envy you at this stage as the opportunities are endless.

As he gets more involved in this Racer competition and other endeavors you will be amazed at how you feel the victories and defeats along with him. There will be times when you want to cry and other times the excietment is so great that you think you are about to have a heart attack. He will learn concepts, strategies, planning, and many other useful techniques which will help him all through his life.

Shape that car like a fish or an airplane as they need to be very efficient at moving through both water and air.

Can you take some pics and share those with us?

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1945 A

03-10-2005 09:15:17




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to Brian in NY, 03-10-2005 05:27:39  
Your post brings back fond memories of when my boys were the age of yours (they're 33 and 31 now), and every once in awhile, during conversations, they'll come up with some sort of shared scouting experience.
I grumbled a bit (under my breath) at the time, because it is a lot of work and responsibility to take on the task of being a scout volunteer, but the rewards are well worth it.
Every once in awhile today, I'll see one of the scouts now---they recognize me still, but now they're all grown men, and they'll say something appreciative, which makes it all worthwhile.
Like the others have said, it's not so much the soap box derby, it's being involved with your son, and instilling values now that he'll carry with him for a lifetime.

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greenbeanman in Kansas

03-10-2005 08:28:02




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to Brian in NY, 03-10-2005 05:27:39  
Your son has already won because his dad was willing to get involved and spend time with him, teching him the proper use and danger of tools, etc.

Best wishes for a successful race. So glad to learn that this was not just a shop project for dad and a release the car project for your son. Thanks for being a good dad.



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ShepFL

03-10-2005 07:22:21




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to Brian in NY, 03-10-2005 05:27:39  
Keep it fun and full of wonder. In the not to distant future he will become a Boy Scout. I am Scoutmaster for Troop 150. I have 20 boys but only 15 are active.

I get to relive my boyhood thru these guys and give them the benefit of a boy run organization.

PS - make sure you stay involved, parents are a Scoutmaster's best ally.



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Brian in NY

03-10-2005 08:40:12




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to ShepFL, 03-10-2005 07:22:21  
Yeah, I am pretty involved and I plan on staying involved as long as they will have me...the scouts were looking for a "Chartered Organization" to sponser them...so they came to the Volunteer Fire Department--in which I am an active member.

The department said OK if we can find someone to handle it. I volunteered...next thing I know the head of the regional council is sitting down with me telling me I am the "executive director of the chartered organization" and therefore I have almost complete say on how the troop is handled. I have to decide who is/isn't acceptable for den mothers/cubmasters, etc...
I couldn't believe that they would give me all this responsibility without even getting to know me. But I will do my best and will stay involved as for some of the boys, it is the only positive influence they have in their lives.

I am glad I volunteered but it is quite an undertaking...I am a sucker for volunteer work...I am on so many commitees and boards that I can hardly keep them straight. But I am trying to set an example for my kids and show others how much I care. Hope I don't ever get burned by the "sue everybody" mentality that is going around.

Thanks for the kind words.

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BobinOH

03-10-2005 07:04:04




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to Brian in NY, 03-10-2005 05:27:39  
Brian-I think it sounds like you are doing a good job in all respects. These are memories your little boy will remember and tell his kids.



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caseyc

03-10-2005 06:47:22




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to Brian in NY, 03-10-2005 05:27:39  
do you have a dremel tool? that's how i thinned my wheels out when i was younger. i never checked the roundness of them, i just shaved them thinner, about 1/2-2/3 of original width. a stationary sander will do it too. are you able to keep a wheel off the track? cock the axle alittle? i've had the best luck with the weight about 2/3 back on the car. good luck and let us know how he does!!

casey in SD

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acmfmh

03-10-2005 06:47:21




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to Brian in NY, 03-10-2005 05:27:39  
I am happy to hear that you let him work on it. Given the time you two spent together, your son is already a winner. We all learned from someone.

As for sandind the mold marks from the center of the wheels... put one of the axles in the wheel and chuck the axle in a drill. Put it in tight, run the drill slowly and use very fine sand paper to remove the ridge. Works well. You can use a file to remove the ridges from the axles.

Good luck, happy racing. Let us know how he does.

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RustyFarmall

03-10-2005 06:22:28




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 Re: O/T--Update on Pinewood Derby Car in reply to Brian in NY, 03-10-2005 05:27:39  
I think you are doing a fine job. Most of us learned how to be safe around machinery by growing up with it. I was probably not much older than 5 or 6 when my dad began allowing me to drive the H Farmall through the gate into the cattle yard. It saved him from getting off, opening the gate, getting back on and driving through, and then getting off again to close that gate. By the time I was 10, I was pretty much turned loose on that same tractor and given the job of raking hay. Apparently I had proven that I was capable and knew how to be safe. To this day I have never had any kind of accident with a tractor. Your son is at the right age to begin teaching him these things.

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