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Impacts Extensions

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Opa A

03-09-2005 11:59:19




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A while back we had a discussion about torque loss and extensions. A question was left as to why impacts loose power when used with an extension. I've been trying to figure out a way to explain why. Here goes.

First-impacts use internal weights or hammers to create the forces to tighten or loosen fastners
Second-think of the extension as a torsion bar.
Third-if you wind a torsion bar into coils you have a coil spring.

Now, lets look at a coil spring as used in suspension for a bike. As the bike sits with no movement, or runs on a smooth surface, the tension of the spring holds the weight of the bike at a static height. When a wheel on the bike goes over a sharp bump the wheel moves up the same distance as the bump, but the end of the bike supported by the wheel only moves a little and thus smoothes out the ride. Why? Because the spring stored energy as it compressed while climbing the bump and then released the stored energy once over the bump.

To put this back to the impact/extension problem.
The extension is the spring, the impact is the sharp bump, and the weight of the bike is the resistance to movement by the fastner.
Every time the hammers in the impact exert force on the fastner through the extension, the extension stores some of the energy and releases it between blows thus limiting the torque produced at the fastner.
My 2 bits. Good discussions! Garett.

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03-09-2005 19:05:45




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 Re: Impacts Extensions in reply to Opa A, 03-09-2005 11:59:19  
Like I said before, regardless of what is supposed to happen I say that in the real world using an extension on an impact does in fact cause a loss of torque. And I didn't even go to college and am only 25. Age and schooling doesn't always make ya smart fellas... it is real world experience that does.



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RobinPA

03-09-2005 12:05:37




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 Re: Impacts Extensions in reply to Opa A, 03-09-2005 11:59:19  
Garett-I read that discussion too. You did a good job to explain it and I now understand. I had always noticed impacts didn't pack as much punch with an extension. Would this affect import tools with cheap steel more than a quality USA tool?



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Opa A

03-09-2005 15:41:00




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 Re: Impacts Extensions in reply to RobinPA, 03-09-2005 12:05:37  
Yes, the more flex the more torque loss.



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Opa A

03-09-2005 12:05:24




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 Re: Impacts Extensions in reply to Opa A, 03-09-2005 11:59:19  
The small amount of play in the square drives will also lessen the force applied at the fastner when used with an impact. The more joints the greater the loss of force. Its like hitting a punch with a hammer when the work end of the punch isn't in direct contact with the part your trying to move.



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