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Missouri Boy

03-09-2005 07:47:03




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I think I will go out in the shop and assemble some old parts i have around. I plan to assemble a 12v. Battery, signal light flasher, condenser, and automoptive coil and try too make a shocking machine. Hope would perform like an electric fence charger. Anybody tried it of done the math?




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txblu

03-11-2005 05:37:47




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to Missouri Boy, 03-09-2005 07:47:03  
If you aren't going to hurt anyone..... .... Tesla made a high voltage machine back who knows when. Maybe a google search will turn up something. It generated high voltage that walked out it's two arms which got progressively wider as you went away from the source.

To get high voltage you need to store energy in an inductor (coil) by pushing current through it.

The physics of the beast is such that if you attempt to immediately stop the current (like open the switch that is allowing current to flow thru it) the coil's magnetic field will start to collapse and in doing so attempt to "keep the current flowing".

The way it does this is to generate "whatever voltage is necessary" (within it's limitations).

So the output voltage builds and builds and builds and if there is something out there that it can find to return current to the other side (a ground) it will jump across the gap and "keep the current flowing", at a decreasing rate, till it peters out.

This is how your spark plugs are fired by your ignition coil.....bigger the gap, bigger the voltage necessary to jump it.

What happens on a person, is that you ground your machine and if a "grounded" person gets within it's reach, it will jump over and find ground thru them; hence they get a "whack".

These are more bark than bite as the resistance of the human body (and usually internally to the coil) is such that the current is low and a one shot thing and not lethal. BUT THEIR REACTION MAY BE LETHAL so have your fun but don't hurt anything.

(Like I was on a ladder working on my hot fence one day and my arm got between the hot wire and the metal barn. Like to broke my neck falling off the ladder.)

You'd be surprised how many scientists are out there today as a result of doing what you are asking to do when young and developing an interest in Physics. So have your fun, learn about it but be careful and considerate.

Mark

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greywynd

03-11-2005 13:01:15




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to txblu, 03-11-2005 05:37:47  
You can make a small one if you can find a transformer out of a neon sign. Some styles hab=ve the output on either end, and you can form some heavy copper wire into the 'v' shape for the arc. don't run them for long this way though, they will overheat and burn out.

Mark



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Boog

03-10-2005 05:45:46




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to Missouri Boy, 03-09-2005 07:47:03  
Would you go out and pull a plug wire off a plug in your car while it is running and then stick your finger in the plug wire socket?????



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JoeK

03-10-2005 01:35:37




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to Missouri Boy, 03-09-2005 07:47:03  
I used to,still do occaisinally play with low voltage current.Don't think you'll get enough draw from the coil to trigger the flasher cycle.Might have to add a 12V 32cp bulb or so to get the flasher to trip. In effect your using the flasher in place of the points in an ignition system unless I picture it wrong.
BE SAFE,HAVE FUN...In that order please :)



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RustyFarmall

03-09-2005 12:11:16




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to Missouri Boy, 03-09-2005 07:47:03  
It will work, I've done it myself. Only problem I had was finding someplace for the spark to jump to. Seems lke it just wouldn't work without providing something for the spark to jump across. Don't remember all the details, been too many years ago.



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Bob

03-09-2005 11:14:48




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to Missouri Boy, 03-09-2005 07:47:03  
Not to spoil your fun (it sounds like something I'd do), but BE CAREFULL. If you or someone else becomes part of the circuit and can't let go, it doesn't take much current to kill.



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Ralph Ohio

03-09-2005 10:49:48




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to Missouri Boy, 03-09-2005 07:47:03  
Below is a link to an article from Mother Earth News about building your own fence charger using a battery and coil and some components for timing, etc. I was disappointed because I couldn't find a schematic diagram but it may give you some ideas.


http://www.motherearthnews.com/arc/584/



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Bob

03-09-2005 11:27:50




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to Ralph Ohio, 03-09-2005 10:49:48  
Here's a link, also, to a "build-it-yourself" BOZZ ("BUZZ") coil:



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thurlow

03-09-2005 08:31:44




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to Missouri Boy, 03-09-2005 07:47:03  
My Great-grand-dad (could've been one of his brothers, was before my time) had a shocking machine; it was a T-model Ford. Had the magneto wired so that anyone leaning up against the car completed a circuit and received a jolt.



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DaveInMI

03-09-2005 15:33:14




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to thurlow, 03-09-2005 08:31:44  
My highschool friend tried to turn a guy inside out when leaned on the car while draining his bladder. ouch!



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MAC,IL

03-09-2005 10:06:35




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 Re: Shocking Experiment in reply to thurlow, 03-09-2005 08:31:44  
Jogs the old memory a little. I had and old for mag or coil? dont remember, been to long ago. but cats used to get on the car. Tell ya what,it made their tails stick straight up.



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