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Air compressor Question Again..........

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Jay87T

03-08-2005 17:44:52




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Ok guys my question is, what size motor should my big old brunner air compressor be using? I have a 1.5 hp motor on it right now...could it perhaps not be spinning the compressor fast enough because of lack of power? do manufactures put big sized motors on thier compressors because the pump is hard to turn? also, what would the pump up time be of this pump to fill up a 60 gallon tank, roughly.
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Jason.

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Roger P.

03-08-2005 19:35:37




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 Re: Air compressor Question Again.......... in reply to Jay87T, 03-08-2005 17:44:52  
Despite what i said in an earlier post, I think that your compressor has the original motor. After I wrote to you about your compressor, I remembered two years ago we replaced a 7.5hp motor on an old Brunner that was simply HUGE. I thought, no way that motor is going to turn that compressor, since it was sized as big as some 20hp units I have seen, but it indeed did turn it, albeit very slowly. What I am saying, is that Brunner seemed to rate their comressors over a wide hp range (I think this one was good up to 15hp), so I doubt any damage was done to it. I think you could maybe take this up to 3-5 hp.

I'd take this parameter as gospel: don't exceed about 1000 rpm. Any combination of speed and pressure that you can get out of a motor without exceeding that rpm should be fine (i.e., you can max out the pressure at max amp draw at a slower rpm, or you can max out the air delivery at a faster rpm at maximum amp draw). Personally, I'd shoot for a cut-out of 130 psi @ max amp draw. That should give you a decent compromise between pressure and delivery.

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Bob M

03-08-2005 18:38:09




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 Re: Air compressor Question Again.......... in reply to Jay87T, 03-08-2005 17:44:52  
Jay - What size motor? The answer is "it all depends"...

If the 1-1/2 HP you've now is not overheating or popping the branch circuit breaker, the motor is NOT lacking for power and being dragged down too slow as a result.

You can verify by taking a current reading on one leg the power feed to the motor. It should be very close to the "full load amps" or "FLA" marked on the motor nameplate just before the pressure switch cuts the motor off.

If you want more air or faster pump-up cycles, you'll need to spin the compressor faster. And that takes a larger HP motor fitted with a suitably larger diameter motor sheave.

For what it's worth I've got an ancient Kellogg 2-stage compressor with a 2 HP motor on an 80 gallon tank. It takes it a good 8 - 10 minutes to fill to 150 psi from an empty start.

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Jay87T

03-09-2005 04:31:52




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 Re: Air compressor Question Again.......... in reply to Bob M, 03-08-2005 18:38:09  
One thing that gets me wondering alot is the size of the motor. I mean this motor has to be over 100lbs. looks like a 30hp industrail motor, and yet only 1.5 hp, yet, I look at todays 1.5 motors and they are so small compared to this one looks like 3 of todays 1.5 motors can fit into this one. what makes them so different?



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JL Sargent

03-09-2005 13:07:58




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 Re: Air compressor Question Again.......... in reply to Jay87T, 03-09-2005 04:31:52  
Iron mostly I think. Then secondly real horsepower. If real HP same then single phase is usually heavier than 3phase motor. Typically higher voltage motor will be smaller than lower voltage and lastly slower speed bigger (heavier)motor than higher speed. Old motors were copper and iron. Alot of new motors are aluminum/copper or Al alloys/aluminum/pinch of copper or who knows what all. Note: A 6 hp electric motor that is 230v ac and weighs 25 lbs is not a real 6 hp. 100 lbs maybe but not those biscuit sized things you see all the time with those aluminum air compressors hanging off them and 6.5 hp sticker. No way Jose!

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