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Emglo Compressor Questions

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thynes

03-06-2005 18:15:32




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I just got a old Emglo compressor (from 1968) that needs some work. The Emglo model on the tank is M5A-80V and the model of the compressor is 335TV.

The compressor has no intake filter so I will need to buy one. The intake has a pipe thread recipticle about 1.25" diameter. What is my best option for a filter? This will be used in my garage for hobby/tractor work.

The SquareD pressure switch has a ruptured diaphram. Can I get a new diaphram or will the entire switch need to be be repalced?

This compressor doesn't have an on/off switch, only the pressure switch. The motor is 220v, 17 amps. What type of on/off switch should I put on this?

I timed how long it took to pump to 175 psi from an empty tank and it took 10 minutes. Does this sound reasonable? Anyone know what this pump's cmf rating is?

The compressor leaks at the crank seal where the flywheel attaches. Does anyone know what the part number for the oil seal is? Are rebuild kits available for this pump?

Wow, lots of questions thanks for reading!

Regards, Tim

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thynes

03-07-2005 18:55:36




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 Re: Emglo Compressor Questions in reply to thynes, 03-06-2005 18:15:32  
Guys,

Thanks for the info!

Roger P, if I am using the formulas correctly from your link, my compressor, at 10 min for 80 gallons, doesn't seem too slow. Sure, a little worn/leaky but still serviceable. I have a 3 horse motor turning the pump at 500 rpm.

Charles, I got this compressor without a magnetic switch. It only has a broken SquarD pressure switch. I gave it a quick check out wired to the circuit breaker. Do I really need a mag switch, as this will be just used on the weekends in my garage and it only pulls 17 amps? I was thinking of just replacing the pressure switch and getting a grey shutoff switch like you suggested, but why the fuses as I will have it wired to a circuit breaker for protection?

This site is great. I get to come home a lean something interesting every night!

Tim

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Charles (in GA)

03-08-2005 19:26:37




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 Re: Emglo Compressor Questions in reply to thynes, 03-07-2005 18:55:36  
I originally mentioned mag starter because It appears your compressor was a 5 horse and should have had one. It sounds like your unit had a downsized motor, the 3 hp installed somewhere in its past, this explains the 10 minute pump up, and it may not need a mag starter, depends on the amp capacity of the pressure switch. Personally, I'd scare up a 5 hp compressor rated motor and proper pulley and install a mag starter and you will be happy with the compressor after that. You will then have enough compressor to run and keep up with a blast cabinet or other high consumption air tools or products. As it is now, you will be waiting on the compressor alot.

No you really don't need a box with fuses, if you have circuit protection up at your panel like you should, but you must have a disconnect at the unit, a plug and outlet, or a switch.

Charles

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Roger P.

03-07-2005 18:03:04




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 Re: Emglo Compressor Questions in reply to thynes, 03-06-2005 18:15:32  
Good Kellog Specs here:



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Roger P.

03-07-2005 10:52:38




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 Re: Emglo Compressor Questions in reply to thynes, 03-06-2005 18:15:32  
This is actually a Kellogg pump. 17 - 20 cfm @ 5hp.

CompAir ditched the whole Kellogg line a few years ago after a restructuring, but parts are still readily available.

10 minutes seems pretty slow, and tells me you probably have valve problems. Unfortunately, this pump has no interstage safety valve to pop when valves go bad, so it is a bit harder to diagnose valve problems with this pump. They are readily removeable, however, just by pulling the two bolts on each oval valve cap. They are sealed with silicone O-rings, so there is no trouble with remaking gaskets. You will need a proper motor starter for this unit, with a separate disconnect switch and some time delay fuses.

You can get a replacement diaphragm, but it might be more trouble than its worth to track it down. I have never worked anywhere that stocked rebuild kits for pressure switches.

Any compressor shop should have replacement filter assemblies that you can thread right in. Sounds like you need a 1" NPT size fitting on it.

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old blue

03-07-2005 15:58:30




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 hey rodger in reply to Roger P., 03-07-2005 10:52:38  
rodger i was just wondering somethign here did you ever work at emglo?



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Roger P.

03-07-2005 16:52:06




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 Re: hey rodger in reply to old blue, 03-07-2005 15:58:30  
No, I never worked at Emglo, just at 6 different compressor shops over the past ten years. I read a lot of manuals and sales literature during that time! Worked for an ex-CompAir and Pall Air Dryer service tech who owned his own shop (we specialized in Hydrovanes, Champion, Quincy and CompAir, but repaired all types and makes), another small businessman who built his own recip units using Swan, Chinook and Fu Sheng units, another large shop with a lot of large industrial customers, who paid my way through a Kaeser training school, another small shop owner who sold DevAir, another large firm called Bucyrus who sold and serviced mining equipment, but who's branch plant in Edmonton also sold pumps, compressors (CompAir) and did heavy millwright work. Finally, I did another stint in another small shop in Ottawa, Ontario, before returning to school. I am currently doing compressors part-time for pocket money while in school for a DevAir/Kaeser dealer. Beats flipping burgers! The preceding list of jobs probably shows you why I went back : non-existent job security. A trade ticket would have made life a lot easier, though I did much of what a millwright would have done.

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Big Jim

03-07-2005 02:03:53




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 Re: Emglo Compressor Questions in reply to thynes, 03-06-2005 18:15:32  
Replacement diaphrams are available at SD distributors but you might have to lean on them to look it up. I replaced the whole switch a few years ago. When I got the new one home, the sheet inside had part numbers.



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Charles (in GA)

03-06-2005 19:23:02




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 Re: Emglo Compressor Questions in reply to thynes, 03-06-2005 18:15:32  
Sounds like an 80 gal vertical tank, five horse two stage. I'm sure Rodger P will chime in with the best of the info on this, but I'll throw out what I can too.

To me, 10 minutes sounds like way too much, but this is something Rodger has a better feel for.

Emglo was acquired by DeWalt. This may significantly change the parts availability issue for these fine old American built machines.

If you have the unit running I assume you have a magnetic starter mounted on it already and are just asking about a wall mounted shutoff switch. You can use just about anything with a 30 amp or better rating. (never exceed 80% of rated capacity for continous operation, so a switch rated at 20 amps is not enough for a steady 17 amp draw). Many switches and disconnects have a hp rating on the data plate, be sure and respect this, if it doesn't go as high as 5 hp, don't use it.

You could use the simple old grey box with fuses and a pull switch on the side, something like an ourside disconnect box for a central air system, or anything one of several other switches that would do the trick.

Link

Select page 342 and 340.

You probably should consult an electrician on this to be assured on having wiring, circuit protection and a switch/disconnect that conform to code (for safety, fire protection, and insurance purposes, not to mention peace of mind).

Charles

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old blue

03-07-2005 16:08:07




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 Re: Emglo Compressor Questions in reply to Charles (in GA), 03-06-2005 19:23:02  
it wasnt so much that dewalt aquired emglo it was that i a number of years ago emglo was bought by an investment operation and then dewalt came along, asked who the best name in compressors was they found out it was emglo. so they bought them. within 4 years those dewalt words i cant say on here had the whole shop closed down and the operation moved to mexico, where the ppl would work for a coupla bucks aday instead of the average 15 $ an hour the emglo guys were making. to that i say thanks alot nafta. now all 150 employees are scrambling trying to make ends meet, sure some of them went to school, but alot of them from what ive heard have ended up going from job to job trying to find someplace that pays what they used to get paid but they cant fidn those kinda jobs. And now that my rants comign to a close i say thank you dewalt for ruining many ppls lives not to mention the ability to buy a darn good compressor so thanks a million you cheap skates

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