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O/T .270 or 30-06

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Big Swede

03-03-2005 14:02:48

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I am looking for a new deer rifle. I have found both a .270 and a 30-06. Both are Remington 710's and have Tasco scopes. The .270 is $300 and the $30-06 is $325. Both have been taken care of very well. Which is the better gun and can shoot fairly flat to 250 yards. I currently shoot at Mossberg 12 gauge slug gun and need someting that shoots a little farther. I know the .270 is faster and therefore has less trajectory, but other than that, what are the advantages/disadvantages to each caliber? Thanks for any replies.

Big Swede

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greywynd

03-11-2005 16:12:06

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

If it were me, eventually I'd like to have both. I currently have a .270, love it, it's a great gun/calibre. As others have said, it is a necked down 30-06, but, as some of the guys have said, there are more bullet selections available for the 06. One of these days I also want to get a .243, little lighter to carry, as well as easier on the shoulder. Friend of mine has a bit of a collection, he wants to get out together and punch some paper, I asked if we could try out his .44Mag lever, he says that if you get the rythym right, you can almost shoot as fast as a semi-auto.

Now, the one thing here is that you are only talking about the calibre of the guns, not the guns themselves. What make are they? How much use have they had? What actions are they?

Part of it is also a personal thing. Myself, I like a nice solid bolt action, especially in the larger calibres like this. Part of that is because I also find semi-autos a bother to clean.

Mark

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cockshuttguy

03-07-2005 14:13:35

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

I'd check the year the 30-06 was made. I bought a new one in the mid 70's and it was NOT SAFE. It would discharge without warning. It went off once on me and just missed one of my children. Fortunately, I had it cradled in my arm and the bullet went upward on an angle. I had the rifle modified/corrected by a gun maker and sold it to another feller.
He has not had a problem with it.
I'd go with the 270 if you want a flat shooter and a good deer getter.
My 2 cents.

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Bill(Wis)

03-06-2005 14:28:42

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

Big Swede: Just get on the Remington website. You'll find all the ballistics data you need. Weatherby is also good for providing this kind of data and the rest probably do as well. Back when I bought my hunting rifles the websites didn't have that info so I called Winchester to see if they had anything. They sent me at least 25 pages of ballistics data on just about any type ammo. Good Luck.

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Andy2

03-04-2005 15:27:05

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

Both would work great for you,.308 is another great one to consider. If you want an inexpensive rifle that will shoot, look at a savage bolt. you can get rifle with a cheap scope brand new for 329 and up. I have a 223 that will consistantly print 1" groups with handloads, my dad has a savage 308 that will do the same. I have a friend with a savage 7mm mag that does 1" groupls with factory ammo. the rifles are all out of the box with no mods. The only downfall is the triggers but you can get an adjustable accutrigger in the newest ones.

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Greg ne Or

03-04-2005 08:45:37

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

Heck, split the difference and take a look at the 7mm express / 280 remington

I tried to quit aruging calibers years ago. [<;

To compare different calibers to help find what would work for you, beg, buy, borrow a Reloading Manual and table or graph out the cartridges of intrest. [bullet drop & foot pounds of engery at 100 to 500 or 600 yds.]

When I'm not hunting horns, for table-fare I like to stay below 2700 fps

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Mac

03-04-2005 07:17:37

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

.270 over .06 all day for "out to" 250 yds. Some will argue about killing power, but deer aren't difficult to kill. I killed deer yearly for 20 seasons with a little .243 I passed on to my teenage daughter couple years back. Got me an "all around" 7mag on hopes of elk hunt. Ridiculous power for deer and tire of rib bones busting gut, bruising shoulder meat, etc. I'll be shooting a .270/130gr combo this season unless I can find these 110gr Kyhayman speaks of off the shelf. That should spec same as this 7mag/150gr combo I've been using..

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MarkB_MI

03-04-2005 03:47:20

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

You really can't go wrong with either rifle. You might have a gunsmith borescope the two rifles to see if either one is shot out, but I doubt that will be a problem. (.270 and .30-06 are both easy on barrels.)

If you load your own ammo, the .270 is at a big disadvantage, because the choice of bullets is limited. In .30 caliber, on the other hand, you have a wide choice of bullets from 125 grains up to 220 grains.

.270 will shoot flatter, but that's really not a big consideration. The .30-06 is a more versatile cartridge, but either one will be fine.

For what it's worth, the US military is starting to use a new cartridge, the 6.8 x 43mm SPC. 6.8 mm is .27 caliber. They feel there's a need for a cartridge that has better ballistics than the .223, and .27 caliber is a nice compromise between .22 and .30 caliber.

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jdemaris

03-04-2005 05:29:30

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to MarkB_MI, 03-04-2005 03:47:20

I've had no problem with choices in bullets. I've loaded my .270 with 100 grain hollow and Spitzer, 130 grain Spitzer, 150 grain Spitzer, and 170 grain round. How many more alternatives could you possibly need? I experimented a lot, and finally stuck with the 130 grain Spitzer for everything. Pretty consistent with a 6.6" drop in 300 yards and hits like a cinder block. My 30-06 comes close, but does not match that performance. I get slightly better grouping with the .270 also, but that might just be variations in the guns themselves.

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buickanddeere

03-03-2005 21:15:24

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

Whitetail, Mule, Elk or Moose? They are all deer. Do you hunt from a tree blind, "push and block" or sit and wait along the edge of a 75 acre corn field?

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Big Swede

03-03-2005 23:33:28

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to buickanddeere, 03-03-2005 21:15:24

Whitetails and sometimes muleys. We hunt from ground blinds at the edges of fields, creeks, rivers, or timber. We do some deer drives, but not too many. I feel it is too risky and dont want anyone to get hurt. No matter how I hunt, what I hunt, when I hunt, or if I am successful or not, I enjoy just getting out. I really enjoy it now that I am in college and dont get to be outside as much as I'd like. My two other brothers did not enjoy hunting as much as I did, so they never got into hunting deer or turkeys. They enjoy hunting birds. Anyway, Dad was always willing to go with me when I hunted deer and turkeys, even though neither he or I knew much about either one when we first tried it. After I got my first deer (just a doe) and my first turkey (a 22 pounder with a 9 3/4 inch beard and 3/4 inch spurs) I think dad was just as excited as I was. I am really glad he was willing to go as I think those were some of the most fun times for both of us (although growing up in tractor and combine cabs was great too). I think the turkey bug has bit him too and he will get a tag this spring too. Sorry for the long post, just sharing some of my best memories of hunting.

Thanks for everyone's opinion.

Swede

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T_Bone

03-04-2005 05:56:33

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 23:33:28

Hi Swede,

There is no wrong answer to this question as both calibers do a great job. I would pick the 30:06.

Just like my 44mag that I really like, I very seldom load to the maximum capilitys of the 44mag, more like a 357mag or 38spl for general plinking. Saves powder and lead, easy on my body since I hurt easy. On the other hand, change 6 little brass pieces and hold on to your pants as it'll knock your socks off if thats what you want.

Here during the season it's a 200yd shot for the average deer and more like 400yd for a elk, unless you get lucky. Just too many hunters for so few animals.

I also shoot a 1874 Sharps 45-120 and do the same there when shooting 1000yds. I normally shoot 70gr Blk powder as it's easy on my body, 100gr hurts but shoots 30% flater at 1000yds, 120gr I just won't shoot as it'll rattle the eye balls of youngsters. ohh that ain't no BS either as many report broken blood vessels in there eyes after shooting 120gr.

At 70gr tho a 535gr lead slug has no problem staying on course at 1000yds in a 15mph wind and has been known to be on target at 2 miles !!!

My point to all this rambling, larger calibers can be down loaded but smaller calibers have a severe limit to up loading, hence my choice of the 30:06.

T_Bone

45-70 At Two Mile Shot

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buickanddeere

03-04-2005 17:54:17

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to T_Bone, 03-04-2005 05:56:33

Many of the countries that do allow some privileged private citizens to possess registered firearms with limited capacity such as single shot or break actions that hold two or three rounds. The other common regulations are only a couple or three boxes of ammo in your possession. And that ammo calibre cannot be military. This is to the public from using black market ammo that "fell off" the back of a military vehicle. If worse comes to worse you could always get 30/06 ammo when 270 supplies have dried up. 22,223,308 and 12gauge should be in good supply too. In Australia your firearms have to be held in a vault which cannot be broken into. I've seen photos of police using torches to prove someone collection wasn't safely locked up. After the police wrecked his safe and firearms. That poor smuck as busted for unsafe storage. Remember in England it is illegal to protect yourself from being assaulted. The citizens are supposed to call for help instead. The ammo you use has to expand but not fragment into peices. The projectile has to exit the animal for it to bleed out faster and leave a trail for tracking.

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jdemaris

03-03-2005 20:27:43

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

I'd take the .270 over anything, very versatile gun, especially if you reload. I must admit though, I'm not sure if it's the cartridge or the gun itself that I fell in love with. You can load it with light for varmint shooting, or heavier for big game. Obviously, the 30.06 is a great gun also, but the .270 is more accurate long range, if that what you want, and knock-down power is incredible. Kind of like comparing a .243 to a .308. I've had some bad hits over the years with white-tail deer, and it still knocked them off their feet (hooves?) - even with 130 grain bullets. Quite a difference from using a 12 gauge slug or a 30-30 pea shooter. I have three Winchester Model 70s, pre-64s, the .270, 30.06, and a 300 H&H Magnum - and that's the order I like them in. I find the 300 H&H to be kind of a dog and ammo is pricey. Years ago, a famous sportsman of the time, wrote quite a bit on the attributes of the .270 and North American hunting - Jack O'Connor I think. He made the cartridge famous. He got me looking for a .270 back in the mid 70s - almost bought a Ruger single-shot .270 when I came across a deal on the Model 70. I don't hunt anymore, don't have the heart to shoot anything. Still like shooting, though.

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thurlow

03-04-2005 04:00:02

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to jdemaris, 03-03-2005 20:27:43

When I first starting reading your post, I thought Jack O'Conner had come back to life and was on the YT board. Good ole days..... ..Townsend Whelan, Elmer Keith, etc. As far as stopping hunting, isn't it amazing how age changes your attitude? I still hunt squirrels, 'cause they're so doggone tasty, but nothing else; we're overrun with deer, see some almost every day, but haven't the heart to shoot one. (Not opposed to the neighbors doing so)

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jdemaris

03-04-2005 05:16:57

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to thurlow, 03-04-2005 04:00:02

Yeah, I used to live to trap and hunt. Now I shoot animals with my camera and relocate corn-raiders with live-traps. The New York Conservation Department gave me permits last summer to shoot deer and turkey whenever I felt like it (on my property). That was because of them destroying my sweet corn and blueberries. I took my nieces up in to one my fields to pick some corn, and there were six adults and two fawns helping themselves - the fawns were "learning the ropes" I guess, in crop picking. Looked at us for a moment, and then went back to eating. Well, I never filled a single one of the special-permit tags. Deer are raising h*ll right now, eating all our young Balsam Fir and Cedar branches near the house, snow is pretty deep.

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Ken S.

03-03-2005 20:09:53

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

The .270 kicks less I think. Have used 130 grain in my .270 for years and love it. I shoot 400 yards across open fields.

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dr.sportster

03-03-2005 19:39:58

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

It might be fun to tackle the deer and kill em with your Buck knife.

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John K

03-05-2005 07:12:52

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to dr.sportster, 03-03-2005 19:39:58

A friend of my brother shot a deer, the first thing she did was put her tag on the antlers. She then procceded to pull out her hunting knife to cut its thoat, at this point in time the deer shook its head, jumped up and took off running. It went about 1/4 mile with the lady chasing it before it was shot by another hunter. She gets to the deer as the other hunter is about to bleed it when she says its my deer. He says that he shoot it where as she counters that it is here tag on the antlers. He pauses and then replies that he is not going to argue with any one that puts a tag on a deer before shooting it, and then proceeds to run the animal down. It turned out she had grazed the animal near the head and temporaraly nocked it out.

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dr.sportster

03-07-2005 10:42:05

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to John K, 03-05-2005 07:12:52

See it is possible!ROFLMBO

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T_Bone

03-07-2005 14:45:25

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to dr.sportster, 03-07-2005 10:42:05

Now John, I laughed so hard I had tears... good one!

T_Bone

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John K

03-07-2005 19:50:11

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to T_Bone, 03-07-2005 14:45:25

T-Bone this is a true story, when the gal told it to me I too laughed purty hard. By the way I enjoy your knoligable posts as they are very informative. Hope to make it Mesa in two or three months, wouldn't mind to get together for a coffee as I see we have simular interests.

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T_Bone

03-08-2005 15:10:37

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to John K, 03-07-2005 19:50:11

Hi John,

send me a e-mail as I'll buy the coffee :)

T_Bone

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buickanddeere

03-07-2005 21:01:03

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to John K, 03-07-2005 19:50:11

Seen something similar. The buck was dropped with a slug about 80 yards from a fenceline. My uncle now 84 was 68 at the time. Rested his shotgun against the tree had walked about 3/4 of the way to the deer. He was getting his knife out when the buck staggered to it's feet. He leapt on the buck and the bellowing, grunting and cussing was awful as the mud and blood flew. Score. One buck with 1/2 the rack shot off flush with the skull, down and bled out. One muddy/bloody Uncle with torn clothes and bruises from getting kicked. And one group of guys standing there looking at him in silence with their mouths hanging open in shock and amassment. Uncle stands up and says, " well... I didn't want him to get away".

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kyhayman

03-03-2005 17:57:42

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

Both are outstanding! As already stated, both use the same case just different neck sizes. You can stuff a heavier bullet into a 30/06 than into a .270 if you subscribe to heavier is better idea. Also if shooting through heavy cover the heavier bullet will perform better. I load light, hot, and fast in both (110 grain hollow point for deer, note to self, this is NOT enough bullet for bigger animals) with a 57 grains of H4831 in the .270 and 58 grains of H4831 in the 30/06 (smaller case neck would result in propellant compression in the .270 with this bulky powder.

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lucasss

03-03-2005 17:49:44

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

on a 700 remington i havent noticed much difference ,but i only shoot out to 300 yards, lucas

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Bus Driver

03-03-2005 16:54:32

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

The variety of factory loaded cartridges for the 30-06 is greater and small stores with limited inventory will be more likely to have the 30-06 ammo. No argument here with any of the other responses.

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Redmud

03-03-2005 16:23:03

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

Swede, the .270 and 30.06 are both good tools for hunting deer. I'm not a Remington fan, but either one will get the job done.

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TimV

03-03-2005 15:20:33

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

Swede: Yup--this one has been beat to death more times than Ford vs. Chevy. These two calibers are for all practical purposes exactly the same. They use the same shell casing, just necked down to accept the smaller bullet in the case of the .270. Therefore, powder capacity, bullet energy, etc. are nearly identical. As a gross simplification, the .270 will shoot a bit flatter and the .30-06 will hit a bit harder, but the differences are so minor as to be unnoticable. Both will shoot to 250 yards with ease, and are as accurate as the person shooting the rifle.

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Coloken

03-03-2005 15:09:15

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Big Swede, 03-03-2005 14:02:48

Have heard this discussion for 65 of my 75 years. If you shoot more moose and elk than cyotes, get the 30-06. If you shoot more cyotes and some time praire dogs, get the 270. If you just shoot deer, I don't care.

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John K

03-05-2005 07:23:01

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Coloken, 03-03-2005 15:09:15

I agree with Coloken, but the 30-06 is more of a versitile gun. It has a greater varance of loads. If you do any bush hunting, the heavier loads will be deflected less. With this in mind, I have a 30-06 and don't have a 270. My favoite hunting gun for short range, out to 250 yars and an excellant bush gun is a BLR 358, a necked out 308.

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old blue

03-03-2005 17:08:34

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to Coloken, 03-03-2005 15:09:15

It pretty much depends on what your shooting at. if its deer id say go with the 270 as when you get older the lighter recoil will feel better. you already got the gun for a nice up close elk,bear, or any large game animal so now its time to get somethign that your shoulder will thank you for. i do believe the 270 shoots a bit flater than the 06 then again thats only the research ive done talking. ive never used either. here where i hunt my 308 does the job nicely.

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HarryG

03-04-2005 10:47:39

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Re: O/T .270 or 30-06 in reply to old blue, 03-03-2005 17:08:34

Both are excellent calibers. I own both and shoot both. I can only say the 270 of mine is more accurate, but that may be the weapon as I had my buddy that works for Remington get it for me years ago. it was a "better" grade barrel so to speak. 400+ yard shots with accuracy are capable and expected with this 270 of mine.
Like I said both are good the differences are so small they aren't really worth mentioning.
Now ya want something different???? my buddy has a bolt action 50 caliber, we shoot that once in a while and that REALLY reaches out. Too darn expensive to shoot though but fun.

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