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Novice to expert...elect checks.

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txblu

03-03-2005 06:43:09




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Been thinking about how many respondents on here mention that they are electrically challenged when it comes to troubleshooting the electrical system(starting, ignition, lights) on their tractor.

One problem may be that they don't have a multimeter nor know how to use it.

Harbor Freight sells a neat little digital multimeter import from Cen-Tech # P30756 for only $4.95 that may be their answer.

Inside the box, with the meter and leads, is a set of instructions as to how it's used. Lot more jubberish there than you need to work on JUST your tractor.

For your tractor you only really need 2 of it's many functions: "20V on the DC Volts scale to make battery voltage checks, and trace power distribution, and 200 Ohms for resistance checks. (Ohm symbol is the Greek character OMEGA which looks like an upside down capital U.)

The functions are governed by "Ohm's law" which is merely Voltage = Current x circuit resistance (And a few other things related to power).

Want more, get on the www and go to the Google Search Engine and type in Ohm's law and get tutored. Not all that complicated once you play with it a little.

Now if you want to move from your tractor to AC volts, like measuring things in the house, I suggest you get tutored on safety as you can shock yourself and it could be lethal. On your tractor I'd say it's near impossible so don't be afraid to dig in.

Go to it.

Mark

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Volts (V)= electrical pressure. (Functions like water pressure at your home's water meter.) Have 6 or 12 volts to push current through the tractor's wiring and do work. (Water pressure pushes water thru your water system's pipes.)

Current (A or Amperes) = electrical current, similar to water flowing through your water pipes.

Resistance (R measured in Ohms) is anything that impacts current's ability to run down a wire, like a "ballast resistor" , ignition circuit primary inductor (which has resistance), or the wire it'self.....too small a diameter for the amount of "amperage" needed. (Think of a water line that is too small in diameter that has to run a long distance. Don't get much water out. But if you double the area of the pipe you theoretically get twice the amount of water sort of thing.)

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dr.sportster

03-05-2005 04:57:27




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to txblu, 03-03-2005 06:43:09  
P=IxE is way more usefull than E=IxR.When do you actually know [or need to know] the resistance of a circuit.Its all Ohms law.



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MarkB_MI

03-04-2005 03:54:49




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to txblu, 03-03-2005 06:43:09  
Mark,

You're right on. Digital Multimeters today are so cheap that no one has any excuse not to own one. I've got a Fluke 77 that I've used for years, but you can get a cheapy today for less than 50 bucks that's just as good.



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txblu

03-04-2005 06:16:01




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to MarkB_MI, 03-04-2005 03:54:49  
Hear you on the fluke. I drooled over them for a long at $275, as that was the meter of choice at work, but that was too much for my budget.

These things are so cheap I have a half dozen sitting around and they make slick Christmas presents.

Mark



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Carol Martin

03-03-2005 16:09:12




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to txblu, 03-03-2005 06:43:09  
I just picked up one at HF today.. regular 9.99 for 2.99 Handy to have around and work ok on idle ckts but dont work for s--t on running machine. for running machine you really need an analog meter/or and expensive digital.. HF drive me nuts with their prices.. If you dont watch them you will pay top dollar for thing.. some things have half a dozen different prices, sometimes different prices in the same sales catalog..wanted something once forget what it was but they were out asked for rain check at the sales price and the girl said thats funny they are usually less than the sales price you have.. Oh Well..

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txblu

03-04-2005 06:13:48




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to Carol Martin, 03-03-2005 16:09:12  
Agree on wild HF numbers.

I find that analog meters are not accurate enough to determine battery condition by voltage alone. Even having used the Triplett and Simpson commercial units over the years, it wasn't until the advent of the digital that I quit using the ammeter solely for battery condition/charge state.

If you are getting interference, you can help to reduce it by moving the meter away from the machinery as far as the leads will allow, measuring at the battery terminals rather that alternator output, and putting a .01uf capacitor, 50 v ok,(Radio Shack)across the leads at the meter's input kills a lot of crud too.

Mark

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buickanddeere

03-03-2005 13:51:30




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to txblu, 03-03-2005 06:43:09  
The cheapies are not shielded so taking voltage readings on a running peice of equipment will just produce random numbers. They are better than than a "test light" by a long shot.



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txblu

03-04-2005 06:08:32




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to buickanddeere, 03-03-2005 13:51:30  
Well that's the idea. Get something that the average joe could use to get around his electrical system instead of just looking at and wondering.

If he/she has problems you know they will be on here asking so we can direct them accordingly.

For what it's worth, I have no problem with THAT meter reading battery voltage (alternator output) with engines running on lawn mowers, tractors, or auto's.

Mark

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thurlow

03-03-2005 09:08:31




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to txblu, 03-03-2005 06:43:09  
Are you saying you can "push" six or twelve volts thru your water lines????? hehe..... T_Bone and therealron had a knock-down, drag-out over something similiar a few months ago; where is T_Bone, by the way?????



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txblu

03-04-2005 06:06:02




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to thurlow, 03-03-2005 09:08:31  
Common turlow; be nice.

Mark



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big fred

03-03-2005 06:49:35




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to txblu, 03-03-2005 06:43:09  
I would definitely recommend picking up one of those HF meters. They're cheap enough you don't have an excuse that you can't afford a meter, they're easy to use, and "good enough" for most automotive work or for house wiring. Word of caution, though, don't expect them to survive checking your electric fence. I tried it once just to see if it would take the high voltage at the inputs, and it failed. ;o)

BTW, they're often on sale for $3.99 if you wait for it. I have three of them besides the burned out one.

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txblu

03-04-2005 06:04:27




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to big fred, 03-03-2005 06:49:35  
Hot wire fences of which I am aware are around 4000 volts; way too much for that meter.

Mark



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big fred

03-04-2005 10:55:21




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to txblu, 03-04-2005 06:04:27  
Yup, I knew it wouldn't read that high, but I got curious to whether it would withstand it. Didn't expect it to, and wasn't disappointed. So I spray painted it red and now when I wanna check the fence I use that one. Hook it up and listen for the arcing inside. ;o) Works surprisingly well.



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txblu

03-05-2005 06:08:55




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to big fred, 03-04-2005 10:55:21  
LMAO on that. Funny!



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Joe (Wa)

03-04-2005 12:50:29




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to big fred, 03-04-2005 10:55:21  
Ah Fred, that's no way to check an electric fence. Use the tried and true method of your youth, stand up fairly close to the wire, unzip and.....well you know. Works everytime and you can save the $3-4 for a beer or two.

Joe



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txblu

03-05-2005 06:10:04




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 Re: Novice to expert...elect checks. in reply to Joe (Wa), 03-04-2005 12:50:29  
That hurts just thinking about it. Ouch!



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