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Shop Lighting from MV to MH

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Red Raider

03-01-2005 06:13:20




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My new shop is partly illuminated by mercury vapor 240v. Would I have a significantly more efficient system if I changed to metal halide? And would the cost of fixture and ballast change out take years to pay for itself by the power savings in efficiency based on occasional use (8 hours a week max).

The ceiling is at least 25 feet. I was even thinking of installing drop florescent everywhere exept near the chain hoists.

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Red Raider

03-02-2005 06:01:19




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 Re: Shop Lighting from MV to MH in reply to Red Raider, 03-01-2005 06:13:20  
Looks like I'll be switching to either the high bay florescent or the sportlight over time. Thanks much for the suggestions.



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Bill in IN

03-02-2005 05:08:17




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 Re: Shop Lighting from MV to MH in reply to Red Raider, 03-01-2005 06:13:20  
Since you don"t say what your kwh cost is- HID lamps are inorder of efficiency, least to best low pressure sodium (the worst color rendition, MV, high pressure sodium, metal halide.

Can you justify changeout on a cost basis? Probably not unles your cost per kwh is more than $.15 and that is even a fairly long term deal.

High bay fluorescents are becoming common. They are available in both T5 and T8 and I would recommend the T8. There is the cold start question that still taints fluorescents even when electronic ballasted.

With HID"s you would also want to consider restrike time. It could be awful scary listening to all that steel spinning down in the dark.

I think that a mix of the existing MV, some MH and FLuorescent would probably work well for you.

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Bus Driver

03-01-2005 16:23:43




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 Re: Shop Lighting from MV to MH in reply to Red Raider, 03-01-2005 06:13:20  
Mercury vapor is horribly inefficient. For 175 watt lamp, the ballast might use 500 watts plus the lamp wattage. The only advantage of MV is long lamp life. One peculiar characteristic of MV is that light output declines slowly but steadily and at the same time, ballast current increases. Color rendition is important is some shop work. Of the electric discharge fixtures, the MH is the better choice. In one tunnel construction job, sodium vapor lighting was used because of the high output of light for the power consumed. Problem was that it was visually impossible to distinguish between diesel fuel and blood with that light, so they added some MH for better color rendition.

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Charles (in GA)

03-01-2005 07:11:13




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 Re: Shop Lighting from MV to MH in reply to Red Raider, 03-01-2005 06:13:20  
I suspect the difference in electric consumption per fixture, MV vs MH is minimal and would never pay for itself. The amount of light gained would, however, be priceless.

Since you have a building where you can use high bay lights (20+ ft) there are some other options you might consider that would pay for themselves in energy savings.

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This is a high bay T5 flourescent fixture that will save about 100 watts per fixture and provide more light to boot. They use rather expensive T5 bulbs (tiny 5/8 diameter) but are very efficient.

Another alternative is the sportlite, also a flourescent, but of a much different design.

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Just a couple of ideas. I would get away from the Mercury lamps simply because I hate them, but to justify the money, it could be hard to do except from the utility standpoint and not the dollars and cents standpoint.

Charles

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