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bill b va

02-27-2005 05:13:49




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thanks for the replies . i did get one suggestion else where that i am leary of .... open up chuck ,turn rpm to max so centrfical force holds jaws open against spiral and use boring bar to true jaws . any comments ?




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Fred Martin

02-28-2005 14:22:03




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to bill b va, 02-27-2005 05:13:49  
I"m with the others on thats a prized 3 jaw...and if it came from the Orient maybe it should be in the Smithsonian Institute. Seriously though, if I had your situation and needed the workpiece closer than .001".....I"d find a cigarette pack and tear off a piece of the cellophane long enough to cover the high jaws and see if that would bring it in.I Used to run a horizontal boring mill in the navy and we knew the thickness of any paper that was laying around the shop cause we used it for shims. Fred OH

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Easy

02-27-2005 14:00:36




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to bill b va, 02-27-2005 05:13:49  
In my experience, a regular toolroom lathe is doing good to hold .001. Normally, if you want less runout than that, you would go to an OD or ID grinder. One exception would be a Hardinge precision lathe. A good lathe hand can hold .0002. on a good Hardinge. Usually you don't need much more than .001, unless you are moving something very fast, or a bearing surface. My 2c, Irv



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Davis In SC

02-27-2005 11:01:47




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to bill b va, 02-27-2005 05:13:49  
If TIR is indeed only one thousandth, I wish I had that chuck. I have a Buck 6-inch 3-jaw chuck that cost 800 dollars and it has more run-out than that. You can buy sets of rings to tighten jaws to, so you can grind the ID with a toolpost grinder. For the sake of safety, please DO NOT attempt the trick with a boring tool.



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KraigWY

02-27-2005 08:33:07




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to bill b va, 02-27-2005 05:13:49  
Again I think you are overly concerned about the 001 in run out on a three jaw chuck. There other more accruate means of holding material, 4 jaw, collets, etc. Once you have set the work in the three jaw chuck, started turning, the work will be accurate until you take it out of the chuck. I certainly wouldn't attempt to true a three jaw chuck with only .001 run out. Stop worrying and start playing. Have fun.

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PJW

02-27-2005 07:54:34




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to bill b va, 02-27-2005 05:13:49  
Don't mess with the chuck if it is running within .001. Or are you mistaken and it is running out at .010? Before doing anything remove the jaws, inspect the chuck to make sure it is clean and free of debris. Clean, reinstall the jaws and recheck. If it is .010 out blue the jaws, and use the grinder method. Only take off what is necessary. Again, if it is only out .001 do not mess with it as it sounds like you may be a novice and will end up worse then what you started with. Just some friendly advice.

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Gerald J.

02-27-2005 07:50:42




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to bill b va, 02-27-2005 05:13:49  
The proper way to adjust jaws in the 3 jaw chuck is to close the jaws on a ring at the back of the jaws. Then grind with a tool post grinder all but the ring, then take out the ring and grind that section of the jaws a little further.

Before you go so wild, .001 out of center is really good for a chuck. When you check with a different diameter test rod, you will find it different. If you take the chuck off the spindle and put it back on you probably will find it bit different in magnitude and in a different position on the chuck.

Remember the jaw centering depends on the manufacturing of a spiral and that can and will vary. Once you crank down hard on a piece of slipping hard steel, you will add further variations.

REAL machinists use a 3 jaw self centering chuck only when they don't care for precision centering. When they want to center work precisely they use the dial gauge and a 4 jaw chuck. With practice they can center the work nearly as fast as you can tighten the three jaw chuck and check it for error. And the extra jaw of the 4 jaw often grips hard material better.

There are 3 jaw chucks with adjustable mountings, but they gain you little since the error of the 3 jaw is always going to depend on the diameter of the work piece, so you have to check for error and adjust the back plate again. Might as well use a 4 jaw and adjust every time unless you are doing repeat work with the same size stock for days at a time.

Gerald J.

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TimV

02-27-2005 06:18:16




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to bill b va, 02-27-2005 05:13:49  
Bill: sounds like a good way to earn a Darwin Award to me--as was mentioned, the "right" way to do it is with a grinder. However, 0.001" runout is better than a lot of lathes that cost 10x as much as yours did--I wouldn"t fiddle with it if I were you. My 7x12"s stock 3-jaw has 0.002" runout, and I"ve never done a project where this was an issue.



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Coloken

02-27-2005 06:07:00




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to bill b va, 02-27-2005 05:13:49  
Jaws are too hard for that.
Proper way is to use rotary grinder mounted of tool base to do it. I still say that .001 is pretty darn good for a 3 jaw



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dr.sportster

02-27-2005 05:39:51




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to bill b va, 02-27-2005 05:13:49  
MMMmm,not sure about that.Jaws are hardened.maxRPM,sounds like it would break your boring bar.max RPM is cranking fast as ever,now its going to cut hard steel.May be the best trick ever devised but Id have to read that in a book not hear it down at the local gin mill or coffeeshop.So basically I dont know.Sounds wacky.



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lucasss

02-27-2005 12:44:11




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to dr.sportster, 02-27-2005 05:39:51  
heck, new stock can be out .001



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dr.sportster

02-27-2005 12:59:15




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 Re: re 7x12 mini lathe in reply to lucasss, 02-27-2005 12:44:11  
Yes Lucass,It might not even be the chuck thats off.I was thinking that too.



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