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Ed tx

02-19-2005 22:50:06




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I bought a cable puller, or come-a-long, however you call it, made by American Power Pull. It cost about $50. You can see it in the link below. REd, white and blue box, with "Made in USA" on it. The American Power Pull logo has a bald eagle. Even the handle on the thing is red, white and blue stripes. I guess I am a sucker because I saw all that and was happy to pay $50 for this top quality tool.
Anyway, I get home and start looking it over and notice that the hooks say Forged in China. WTF ? The instructions have a phone number for the company, so I call and ask what else is not "Made in USA". She says the ratchet is also chinese! She said the rest of it is assembled in Ohio so they can label it Made in USA. I told her I thought their label was dishonest and that selling their chinese POS in a box with eagles and red, white and blue was downright disgraceful. At least the crap I've bought from Harbor Freight doesn't come shrouded with eagles and the American flag. I don't know which is worse - getting screwed by honest chinamen or deceitful Americans?

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lucasss

02-21-2005 16:41:41




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Ed tx, 02-19-2005 22:50:06  
i bought one of those for 14.00 new at flea market last summer. lucas



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Robert in W. Mi.

02-21-2005 09:44:58




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Ed tx, 02-19-2005 22:50:06  
How about the tractor companys????

For instance, John Deere compacts, they bolt the tractors together in Georgia (from parts made in other countries) and call them American made.

Others do it too.

Does that "really" make any of them American made???

Robert



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Tell me Robert...........

02-21-2005 13:20:12




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 02-21-2005 09:44:58  
where was your Agco pile of crap built???



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Robert In W. Mi.

02-22-2005 09:27:24




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Tell me Robert..........., 02-21-2005 13:20:12  
First off, do you own a AGCO like mine to know if it's a pile of crap????? OR, are your shorts just a different color, so your mad that there's a better show in town????? ????? ???

Next, it "doesn't" say MADE in the USA any place on it, AND "no one" has ever tried to "BS" "anyone" into thinking it ever was.... UNLIKE deere and some others are doing!!

BTW, mine were made in Italy, and so far I've had ZERO down time with them... They just keep on makeing me money... :>)))

Robert

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dr.sportster

02-22-2005 13:58:32




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Robert In W. Mi., 02-22-2005 09:27:24  
Robert,Calm down I think he was making fun of my comment.Also I dont recall the Italians bombing Pearl harbor.[now that comment will start more trouble]



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dr.sportster

02-21-2005 10:01:37




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 02-21-2005 09:44:58  
I call that American made using imported crap.Good for jobs,bad product.



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dr.sportster

02-20-2005 12:08:42




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Ed tx, 02-19-2005 22:50:06  
Ed,Here is the best ive ever seen.I found out about it on the site archives from T-bone.It is a Wyeth-Scott Co. ITwas $130 but your granchildren will give it to their grandchildren.Its a heavy iron body but once its rigged who cares ,it glides,it has a wire rope and is rated 3000 with pulley.It is better than anyone Ive used.Got that and two10foot chokers for $156 with shipping.MADE in Ohio.Dont know how to make the link deal work but they have a website.I called by phone.1740-345-4528

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evielboweviel

02-20-2005 17:47:12




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to dr.sportster, 02-20-2005 12:08:42  
the best comealong made period. abuse them, use cheaters on them pull way too much with them. still keep working only the acable needs replaced and that is after it rusts out. been using them over thirty years.
Ron



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big fred

02-20-2005 09:47:01




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Ed tx, 02-19-2005 22:50:06  
Did it work for you? Did it do the job it was intended to do? I figger somewhere along the line, that's one important factor in your purchase decision, but maybe not.



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dr.sportster

02-20-2005 12:48:28




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to big fred, 02-20-2005 09:47:01  
Big Fred ,I have a K mart one.Yes it worked.But I was pretty sure eventually it was going to hurt me.



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Ed tx

02-20-2005 10:36:36




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to big fred, 02-20-2005 09:47:01  
Well Fred, I didn't get a chance to find out if it worked or not, because I returned it to the store. I'm sure it would have worked just fine for my needs, but there's no way I'm paying $50 for a
chinese come-a-long with a red, white and blue handle. Maybe if it came with a little chinaman to crank the handle, LOL.



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Jimmy King

02-20-2005 09:44:34




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Ed tx, 02-19-2005 22:50:06  
To start with the factory, gets a call from the EPA you have discharged too much smoke this month that will be $50,000. end of story so they get tired of that and also gready so they move to Mexico. No EPA, pay the Mexican per day what the American was getting an hr. Some day the American will be making what the Mexican is making so we can't buy the new car, or TV etc. So who is srewed in the end, everybody in America

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Dug

02-20-2005 07:59:03




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Ed tx, 02-19-2005 22:50:06  
Consumer Beware!

At least you made the effort, Ed. Most people won't give it a second thought and jump for the cheap stuff. Sad story.

Dug



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Steve Crum

02-20-2005 06:43:10




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Ed tx, 02-19-2005 22:50:06  
I listened to a radio commentary a few weeks ago (wasn't Rush Limbaugh). The commentator went to great lengths to explain how after the American economy collapses, and the other industrialized nations shut us out. We will experience an industrial resurgence wheras us old dogs that can still read a micrometer and say screw your ISO compliance, lawyers and political correctness, and start making things we will need for survival. Only then will we re-emerge as the industrial powerhouse we once were. Sad part is the real talent that made us great is dying off.
This is what the European union, the Chinese and Indonesia are banking on. So the next time you threaten to got out on strike because your employer wants you to kick in 10 bucks a week toward your medical coverage, remember that ten bucks a week is about what somebody in China makes a week to survive!
Bought any steel or steel products lately?

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hay

02-20-2005 06:52:50




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Steve Crum, 02-20-2005 06:43:10  
i was buying small hobby type steel from home depot about a year ago and most of the pieces was fairly reasonable and some even downright cheap compared to the local steel suppliers and then all of a sudden within one week the prices doubled. i guess that's another "benefit" of our new global economy? everbody except me is getting rich quick.



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Steve Crum

02-20-2005 07:03:18




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to hay, 02-20-2005 06:52:50  
Well not everybody. What is the country of origin for this hobby steel?



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Big Ed

02-20-2005 05:57:15




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Ed tx, 02-19-2005 22:50:06  
Saw a pallet of those"AMERICAN" come-alongs/pullers at a auction a few weeks ago. Box caught my eye,looking closer I saw what you found.Box would really fool people. I think these had been in LOWES and were "shelf-pulls" some boxes were open/&/or mashed. They sold for around $7.00. I felt that was a fair price for light duty use.



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Midwest redneck

02-20-2005 05:02:07




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Ed tx, 02-19-2005 22:50:06  
Yeah, Chinese junk is well chinese junk. But I will say that we did it to ourselves, everybody wants something for nothing. I have been a tool maker for years and an oldtimer that I know who owns his own shop, this guy is 76 years old now told me that he has been supplying a product to a machine builder for years, 10 pieces per month. month after month. Anyway this company says, hey we want to buy this product from China, it will be cheaper, they buy this product and guess what it looks like a high-school kid machined this thing, looks like *rap, tool marks in it etc. etc. So....they decided to go back to the 76 year old American who has been machining these thing very well for years. The old timer told me, "I dont have much to worry about with the junk that comes out of China" This old guy that I know is thinking about retiring when he is 80. I hope I can still run a machine when I am that old.

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Davis In SC

02-20-2005 12:47:05




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Midwest redneck, 02-20-2005 05:02:07  
I hope you buddy raies the price of the part when they came back to him... I see low-quality offshore molds on a frequent basis. One example we have now are some molds from a large tooling package used to make a very expensive medical device. The customer chose to go the low-cost route & get them from China. They used soft steel, so after running only a few hundred parts, they will not produce acceptable parts. Now the customer is freaking out,needing someone to get them out of trouble.

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Midwest redneck

02-20-2005 14:03:55




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 Re: Made in USA in reply to Davis In SC, 02-20-2005 12:47:05  
Yep, you get what you pay for as the old saying goes. As for my buddy who is 76 years old. He is the type that has to work (as a toolmaker) or he will die, I know that doesnt sound nice but I see it happen a lot. This guy calls me and we talk about once a week about the old days, mind you I am 36 years old. He tells me about when in 1962 he made $6.50/hour and that was really good money then. He also tells me of when he used to be partners with another old guy and they did about $150K/ year in sales and there was 6 guys total, in the 1960's I think or 50's. He retired from GM in 1986 and he receives a pension plus Soc. insecurity. Plus he has his business which does about $90K/year, his grandson works for him.

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