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chuck (va)

02-19-2005 18:33:45




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I have seen numerous references in this discussion board of using metal connectors to attach posts to concrete footers so that the post doesn"t wick up the moisture and rot off. Mostly refering to porches and decks. Are these made heavy enough to be used to support the posts for a 24" x 24" car port? Need to make it 10" high for the tractor with fel. The ones at Home Depot looked flimsy to me. I would corner brace the tops and use 5/4 tongue and groove boards on the two longest sides for rim boards before back-filling with stone dust and gravel.

Any suggestions/comments would be appreciated.

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VaTom

02-21-2005 04:46:57




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 Re: Car Port Construction in reply to chuck (va), 02-19-2005 18:33:45  
Hi Chuck,

I"ve replaced more than a few rotted-off PT post ends here, not even 20 yrs old. Like you, I also didn"t think much of the flimsy-looking post feet. Used them a couple of times and they didn"t fail, but didn"t feel good.

Then I went to using 6" lengths of 6" I beam. Works great. And now I can avoid PT wood that I don"t like to be around anyhow. Gotta trim the post feet to fit inside the flanges, but that doesn"t take long.

If you"re near Albemarle county, come on out and see a 2 story post&beam building sitting on them. They rest on a 2 story concrete foundation.

What the guys said about diagonal bracing is very true though. I dovetail my bracing into the posts and beams. Plywood would work just as well, a whole lot faster, just not look the same.

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FarmerDave

02-20-2005 13:07:29




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 Re: Car Port Construction in reply to chuck (va), 02-19-2005 18:33:45  
They have some that are supposed to be made for earthquake resistance and some regular ones. Have you seen both?

As far as the frost line why shouldn't a guy set his post on a concrete peer that goes that low?

So first drill hole with phd. Pour a concrete pad. Install peer with sonatube. Place post on top.

Treated wood posts in the ground have a max life of 30-35 years.



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Dug

02-20-2005 07:52:32




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 Re: Car Port Construction in reply to chuck (va), 02-19-2005 18:33:45  
Chuck,

They make them strong enough to support thirty foot light poles, so yes, you can find them for your project. But like the guys have said, you would be better off dropping the poles in the ground below the frost line. That is how I built my barn and it it soid as a rock. Used 4x6 posts, went three feet deep and spaced them 3 to a side. My barn was also 24' by 24' with a 10 foot clearance.

I'll try to post a pic after church.

Dug

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Leroy

02-20-2005 04:56:05




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 Re: Car Port Construction in reply to chuck (va), 02-19-2005 18:33:45  
That sure is a small building. 24" inch by 24" inch by 10" inch, size only for a toy tractor, I think you mean 24' feet by 24' feet by 10' feet? I see so many post with the inch symble of " used when they are meening feet that has a symbal of '. are you wanting to use a poured concrete footer to set the posts on? If not then just set the posts in the ground. If you are thinking of the stake ancres that you drive in the ground that people use for decks so that they don't have to dig those break off very easy

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jdemaris

02-19-2005 19:58:54




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 Re: Car Port Construction in reply to chuck (va), 02-19-2005 18:33:45  
Why don't you just put the poles directly into the ground, down below the frost line. That way, you get the extra wind-load stability that you won't get otherwise without a lot of bracing. As far as them lasting, they will probably last longer than you will. I just dug up some poles that I installed 1974. There wasn't a sign of rot on them and I'm going to resuse them somewhere else. This is not a dry area, we gots lots of rain and snow. They were CCA treated 060. Power company just dug out some poles behind me that had been in the ground since 1946 and they weren't rotten yet - they were creosote treated. I don't know how well the new EPA approved chemical treatments are going to work - but with 6" treated poles, it doen't matter since they are exempt from the EPA rules and are still CCA treated. Anything smaller can't have the CCA anymore - at least not in New York State.

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