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O.T. ice and chill factor

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Billpa

02-14-2005 23:49:13




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whats the coldest ice will get? also does machinery know chill factor?




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Weirsdale George

02-15-2005 00:31:38




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 Re: O.T. ice and chill factor in reply to Billpa, 02-14-2005 23:49:13  
Ice is just like any other solid material -- once water freezes into ice, you can take it down to absolute zero.

Chill Factor is dependent on relative humidity, temperature and wind velocity which determines the rate of evaporation of moisture from the skin from humans (and other animals), hence it feels colder than it actually is. (I guess it could effect the evaporation rate of liquids.) It does not apply to metals (although it could affect to materials that sublimate -- i.e. ice).

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Pitch

02-15-2005 06:26:48




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 Re: O.T. ice and chill factor in reply to Weirsdale George, 02-15-2005 00:31:38  
Technically wind chill is the affect on a living thing but it works the same with any exothermic object. All it is is the air movement taking heat away at different speeds.
It is the same principal as blowing on a spoonful of soup the soup is 110 degrees and raises the temp of the air imee=diatly surrounding it accordingly, you blow on it and cooler air replaces making more "room" for heat dissapation. it heat always migrates to cold. In an inanimate object such as say a tire rim no heat is being generated so once the rim reaches ambient temperature there is no more heat to be removed.

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T_Bone

02-15-2005 05:00:25




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 Re: O.T. ice and chill factor in reply to Weirsdale George, 02-15-2005 00:31:38  
Hi Bill,

What George stated is correct but you also have to consider that before a certian temperature, absolute zero, ice becomes a insulator giving up heat (Btu's) to the surrounding air.

In this instance "ice" would be a heat source above absolute zero.

In refrigeration therory "cold" only occurs at at absolute zero. Any temperature above absolute zero has heat content that needs to be removed.

Example: A igloo in a amibent temperature of minus 60�, ice would heat the inside of the igloo to 32�, the point at which ice turns into water. Here ice is the heat source of the room.

Example: A typical compressed refrigertion freezer with a forced air evaporator, will cause the froozen food to defrost if the evaporator fan stops but the compressor continues to run.

Why? Simpley stated: because of ice build up on the evaporator surface.

Long version: When the air stops moving over the evaporator coil, ice begins to form on the evaporator coil fin surface as the temperature of the refrigerant inside the evaporator continues to drop.

As the ice totaly plugs the fins then the refrigeration effect of the evaporator stops inside the freezer cabinet as the ice becomes a insulator just like in the igloo example.

So where does the heat come from inside the freezer cabinet? 90% of the heat comes from door gasket leakage.

T_Bone

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Also..John,PA

02-15-2005 06:15:50




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 Re: O.T. ice and chill factor in reply to T_Bone, 02-15-2005 05:00:25  
If the door button is messed-up and the interior light (s) stay ON. John,PA :)



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Billpa

02-15-2005 05:16:38




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 Re: O.T. ice and chill factor in reply to T_Bone, 02-15-2005 05:00:25  

If ice is absolute zero why do you need salt on the ice to make ice cream?



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T_Bone

02-15-2005 05:26:41




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 Re: O.T. ice and chill factor in reply to Billpa, 02-15-2005 05:16:38  
Hi Bill,

Absolute zero is minus 460�kelvin.

Ice typicaly forms at 32�, depending on the waters mineral content. So the same ice at 0� has less BTU of ice at 31� but well above absolute zero.

You use salt while making ice cream to melt the ice so it conforms to the container thus lowering the contents temperature faster.

T_Bone



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ChrisH(IA)

02-15-2005 06:40:47




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 Re: O.T. ice and chill factor in reply to T_Bone, 02-15-2005 05:26:41  
Hello T-Bone Years ago I read that when you mix salt with ice, the resulting brine goes down to zero fahrenheit, and that was how zero was determined in that particular scale. You are correct that the liquid contacts the ice cream mixture far better that way, but I wanted you to know that's zero degree "ice" that's doing the job. Not a fan of celcius-not as accurate. ChrisH



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Brine water..John,PA

02-15-2005 07:22:29




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 Re: O.T. ice and chill factor in reply to ChrisH(IA), 02-15-2005 06:40:47  
That's what it is called, if I remember. I used to service quite a few "brine" tanks (freezers) years ago. There are still a few around.



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lucasss

02-15-2005 06:19:34




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 Re: O.T. ice and chill factor in reply to T_Bone, 02-15-2005 05:26:41  
yeah.... but whats the guys name that turns the light off and on in the fridge....



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