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O/T Getting a Dog To Eat

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thejdman01

02-13-2005 07:38:54




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I know this is o/t but you guys have wonderful abundance of knowledge. Recently we had a neighbor the elderly gentleman had alzheimers and to make a long story short tragically the gentleman shot his wife and then shot himself. They had a 10 yr old husky female named penny. The only son lives in an apartment and cannot have the dog. We took the dog in. The son said the dog would not eat unless both were home. The dog isn't a friendly dog but from being over there often she knows me and doesn't bother w/me or give me problems but isnt a friendly dog. She isnt a viscious dog that goes after somone but if she doesnt know you and you go near her mess w/her or something shes watching it wouldnt be good news esp if she dont know you. She even barked snarled etc when the paramedics came and had to be restrained. Heres my question we found 1/2 bag of dog food date on bag fairly recent bowl was decently empty so we are assuming the dog was eating at home. We got the dog 3 days ago. 1st night and day didnt eat wife concerened i said the dog isnt stupid it'll eat hwen it gets hungry. 3 days later the dog hasn't eaten anything drank very little. We have tried everything human food burgers to their brand dog food moist cat food 2 other brands of dog food treats everything and the dog wont touch it. we even tried ice cream with honey(had a german shepard w/arthritis and that was the truck to give him his meds.) the dog only weighed 35 pounds to start with and not getting better was thin to start with. I really dont think medically there is anything wrong with the dog and hesitate to take it to the vet. A new place a vet kennel not knowing anyone i dont think woudl help. The dog was never chunky to start with so being a 1/2 of bag of dog food fairly empty bowl etc i think she was eating before the owners passed. I wasnt worried first day first night but after 3 days g etting worried. We have tried feeding her inside outside around left alone on her rug she lays on to sleep weve tried everything i can think of i dont know what to try anymore. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I know dogs are smart and know alot and shes a good dog I dont want to see her get any thinner any advice woudl be appreciated.

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Brian in NY

02-15-2005 06:50:16




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
I have had many experiences with orphaned animals. Dogs are one of the most difficult creatures to get over emotional hurdles.

Right now, this dog is still waiting for it's owners to return. The dog does not understand where they have gone, and fully expects it's life to return to normal.

Here is what you need to do if you want to keep the dog and make it happy.

1) Talk to the son of the previous owners. Find out what a typical day with his prior owners involved. Try to replicate that type of setting as much as is practical. Timing, lighting, sounds, etc are all very effective stimuli for dogs.

2) Spend time with the dog. Long walks...quiet moments, you both need to get to know each other. Show NO harshness with the dog and do not expose him to anyone who might do so.
Talk to him as much as you can. Reward him with praise for every little thing...going outside, doing his business, etc etc....the little miniscule things must be noticed and praised.

3) Get the dog up and around....take it out to do your chores...have him mark out your property lines....this is his territory now.

Do these things and be patient...and I think you will see a marked improvement within a week.

I would also suggest, once he comes around, getting him to the vet to make sure he doesn't have worms, twisted stomach, arthritis, etc.

Good luck.

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Bob - MI

02-14-2005 10:25:09




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
First of all, my respect for giving this greiving animal a new home.

I have been watching a new show on TV lately called "The Dog Whisperer" - National Geographic Channel. This guy is one of the best at relating to animals that I have ever seen. One of the firt things he suggests to all owners that have new animals, especially ones that are adopted, is to take them for a walk of about 45 minutes long. It gives the dog a chance to get outside in a neutral setting and then get a feel for you as an owner. The goal is to allow the dog to recognize you as the leader. All things like affection and food come after the dog becomes submissive to you.

Might not be the answer for your case but it sure seems to work for the troubled dogs and owners they feature on TV.

Very best of luck.

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Nat

02-14-2005 05:53:19




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
not making lite of your problem, but a fellow I know told me his dog didn't eat anything but greens. I told him ours wouldn't eat greens. He said his didn't either for the first 2 weeks!



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Mark - IN.

02-13-2005 20:28:16




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
That's a tough one. You said that the son said the dog wouldn't eat unless both home? Problem one. And now both are gone - gone? Problem two. Dogs do have feelings and can be tempermental. Lucass has the best idea to date, try putting something in it's bed with the owner's scent and see if will come around. Had a sick dog once had to force feed gruel for a couple of days until it came around. Had another that I watched the vet force feed canned dog by rubbing into it's mouth. Licked and made a mess, but after a couple of days of me doing it, she came around - can do this one of two ways, my way, or my way, and I'm up for either way.

Good luck. Is a tough one.

Mark

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Hal/WA

02-13-2005 18:04:21




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
Bless you for trying with this dog. It might work or it might not. I think dogs are a lot smarter than the world gives them credit for, and his emotional life has been shattered.

I have had some luck with animals by just spending some time sitting down on the ground a little ways from them and talking quietly to them. If he will come to you and allow it, I would try a little petting. It can take awhile.

A little fresh bacon grease over his food might tempt the old boy--I think my dogs would try to eat ANYTHING with bacon grease on it! But my dogs are not grieving. Be there for him, if you can. Good luck.....

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lloyd sc

02-13-2005 17:36:04




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
Prepare yourself for the posibility (sp?) of putting her down. What is important is what is best for the dog NOT what makes you feel good. He should have tidied up better. (JMO) Lloyd



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old blue

02-13-2005 17:09:38




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
its like they say you cant teach an old dog new tricks



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greenbeanman in Kansas

02-13-2005 09:09:19




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
I think that the dog will come around to eat after a few more days.

I used to care for a neighbor's dog each time they would go on vacation. With one particular vacation I was to give the dog heart medication twice daily. It was a real struggle to get the dog to eat at all, let alone to take medication.

At the end of two weeks the medication had kicked in and the dog was running around the yard like a pup. Upon their return however, she didn't want anything to do with them for awhile.

Thanks for being a good neighbor and taking the dog.

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Mike Burdick

02-13-2005 11:12:41




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 02-13-2005 09:09:19  
thejdman01,

Maybe you could post this question on some of the pet specific forums on the 'net. Here's one but there are many others that can be found using a Goole search.

If you can, please get back with us and let us know how everything turned out!



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thejdman01

02-13-2005 09:43:43




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 02-13-2005 09:09:19  
i really couldnt believe when i heard it. alzheimers is a terrible terrible disease. w/you everyone and the lord as my witness i hope i am struck down before i get to that point. Ray was his first name and he got to be the meanest person in the world hitting pinching etc and was never like that before. he was in the nursing home for awhile and shirley went up there everyday to see him even though hed cuss her out and hit her. was so sad. they brought him back home and he kept saying take me home take me home shirley would say ray you are home i dont know what more i can do for you. it pulled shirley down real quick too and then he got into his guns killed her killed him. i am no expert or authority or anything and not starting a religious war on here by anymeans but he didnt know anything really anything at all not being mean he didnt honest and to get in the gun cabinet get a gun out get in the drawer below unlock it load it and then do that while shes sleeping. who knows maybe he knew theyd have a good better life "upstairs". i mean i dont know that it was right but really funny he atcually knew and figured out all of that. althought that disease is soooo crazy one day he dont know his own name where he is and hten the next day he can talk about driving his first car the model t back in 1926. i'll have to admit i am a huge softy for stray animals or abused animals. i still remember growing up wed just get so many cats around the barn milk house etc dad would always take a burlap sack put some cats in it and throw it in the water tank you know back then you did those things. used to take the cats in the barn in the hay and feed them try to keep them away from dad but would never fail the dog we had at the time would always go diggin in the hay could smell and find a kitten from 100 yrds away dad woudl think it was a possum or racoon find they were cats and take them away. anyways i am definitly not a cat man more of a dog man but cant turn any animal away. i just hope it starts eating. first few days didnt suprise me or worry me but 3 days. i even tried peanut butter cookies which our one dog used to love love but no luck there.

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john in la

02-13-2005 09:01:14




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
I think the best thing you can do to get this dog to eat is to show it some affection as hard as that may be. I do not mean a pat on the head or a petting while you throw the food down to it. More like sitting on the floor next to the dog while watching TV. You really will have a uphill battle but you really need to make him feel welcome as soon as possible.

The trauma has him to where he just as soon die also. Dogs can be very loyal to there owners and go through the same trauma as a person when a love one is lost.
My dog will wear the pads off his feet walking up and down the road looking for my wife if she leaves for more than a couple of days.

The movie Where The Red Fern Grows comes to mind when I read this post.

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the tractor vet

02-13-2005 09:00:00




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
Just give it what it eats and give it lots of love and try your best to make it feel at home . The dog has lost it's only family that it has ever knowen. I have two mixed husky shepards and the new dog was a throw away and we have had him now for two years and is just now becomming part of this family.



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Farmer2wife

02-13-2005 08:58:31




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
I have to agree with Lucas, try to get something with their scent on it. Also try some peanutbutter. Our dog loves oatmeal with peanutbutter in it. Good Luck



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Bill WI

02-13-2005 20:19:24




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to Farmer2wife, 02-13-2005 08:58:31  
Just thinking the same of peanut butter. Dogs and even cats like a little. Worth a try.



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MAC,IL

02-13-2005 08:51:11




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
The dog is grieving. They become a part of the family just like a child. Some people just dont understand this. We have a golden, when the wife leaves she sets and watches for her return whether it be an hour or all day. If the wife is gone for a couple days the dog sure gets moody.
Do as others have said, try some of the previous owners clothing laying around for her to get the scent of. Good luck and bless you for taking the animal in. My son lives in the boonies, lane is about 3/4 mile off the road, someone dumped a dog at his mail box a couple years ago. The dog wouldnt leave the mail box, rain or shine, like he was waiting for the owner to return. They fed it where it stayed for weeks, however it got to looking sort of bad, finally coaxed it to the house. After some time, the dog has now found and accepted a new home. Guess you could say its a happy ending to a sad story.

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riverbend

02-13-2005 08:15:42




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
Our dog won't eat for a couple days when we leave her at my brothers. The neighbor took in an old guy's dog and it wouldn't eat for a week or ten days. After it got over the old guy dying, it was a good dog.



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dr.sportster

02-13-2005 07:46:28




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
hey JDMAN,IM no expert but it sounds like some kind of post traumatic stress.Im not joking or trying to be funny.I believe you are correct that it is psychological.Good luck and nice of you to care for it.



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lucasss

02-13-2005 07:44:54




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to thejdman01, 02-13-2005 07:38:54  
if the dog isnt sick, he will eat when he gets hungry, if you could get some clothing from the old owners and put it in his bed he may feel better.. lucas



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T_Bone

02-13-2005 08:12:03




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 Re: O/T Getting a Dog To Eat in reply to lucasss, 02-13-2005 07:44:54  
Hi JD,

Got to go with Lucas. Don't be suprised tho if you have to put her down, only if too weak to stand.

My Lab won't eat nor drink while were not home and it don't matter how hot it is or how hungry he is.

Couple years ago I spent 8 days in the hospital and the wife stayed with me. Said my puppy didn't eat nor drink until she got home each night. He's an only child tho. :)

Along with the cloths for bedding you might try raw red meat and just let it sit until she eats. No raw chicken as most dogs don't like raw chicken.

Since the hubby & wife went I'm supprised they didn't consider there dog. Getting old sucks then add some medical problems. There's been two couples in Phoenix this year that did that.

T_Bone

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