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BobPA

02-03-2005 16:13:02




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I've been told the lubricants found under the Wal-Mart name are manufactured by Pennzoil. Is it the same product in a different color bottle that is just as good for half the price?




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LeMaverick

02-11-2005 16:47:56




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 A Solution and a comment or two in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
Gentlemen, I have the solution. Why not buy Rotella oil at Wal-Mart? That way we get an oil that is probably about as good as any other while helping the Walton family (which has only five members in the top ten richest people in the US).

At the same time we can also get one of the few things they sell that is made in America.

Sound like a plan?

Concerning sludge in an engine; I once had a GTO that I HATED. I seldom changed oil, and then used the cheapest stuff I could find. I sold that car to a mechanic and who knew the car. After he pulled the valve covers or something he asked what brand of oil I had used. I readily admitted that my only consideration was cheap. He said, �That was the cleanest engine I have ever opened�.

Go figure.

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IH2444

02-17-2005 10:21:32




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 Re: A Solution and a comment or two in reply to LeMaverick, 02-11-2005 16:47:56  
Rotella is Shell ? A foreign owned company. At least Wal Mart is an american owned company, but don't like them much either, too much Chinese junk.



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Galen

02-05-2005 21:51:07




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
So - what have we learned? Walmart oil is good, unless it's bad, but only if you change it at 3000 miles, unless you want to wait until 10,000, unless you are nervous about it and leave it go for 140,000 (or engine failure, whichever comes first). Used oil is not good in storm drains, but has other uses (unless it never leaves the vehicle). Once you exceed x-plus 40,000 miles, NEVER change your oil, because it might anger the filter gods. Owner's manuals might be better off left in the glove box, and all us tractor nuts can't agree on nothin'. :^)

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jdemaris

02-06-2005 19:47:01




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 Warren Oil Company Inc. in reply to Galen, 02-05-2005 21:51:07  
Hmmm, maybe nobody ever answered the guy's original question? (I didn't read all the posts, but just in case). Guess I was too busy changing my oil. As I understand it, at this time, Warren Oil Company Inc. produces Walmart oil. They are a blending company and buy their raw products from the same places many other companies do. Years back, for short periods of time, Walmart was buying oil, blended to Walmart specs. from Quaker State, and later, Penzoil. So, even if you had bought oil from Walmart at a time when they were getting it from Penzoil, it would not be directly equivalent to an oil sold under the Penzoil name. Kind of like when you buy oil from Deere that's made by Shell, but it's blended to Deere specs. Warren's site is at: Link

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buickanddeere

02-08-2005 00:04:17




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 Re: Warren Oil Company Inc. in reply to jdemaris, 02-06-2005 19:47:01  
Sorry to have put some of you guys on edge. I got caught up in the topic and failed to realize at first, just how strong the feelings are on oil changes. I'll have to add oil to the topics to avoid list, along with politics, religion, best truck manufacture and best tractor manufacture.



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Bob

02-05-2005 15:15:41




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
I am NOT generally a fan of Walmart.

However, I do use their Super Tech oil in a lot of my stuff, and have seen no problems with it.

I have not seen a single post in this thead that shows any verifyable reason it's bad oil.

It seems to me that if it meets the govt. mandated spec's critera, it should be OK, or would some of you guys assert they are cheating on that?

It seems to me that if the oil was not "up to par", and causing trouble, there would be numerous claims against Wally World for engine damage. Has anyone heard of any?

That being said, I'm "cheap", and have never been "brand-loyal" to oil, and check far more carefully that it meets the specs for my engine, than the brand name on the bottle.

The only exceptions for me are late-model diesels, which are so darned expensive to repair, so I err on the side of caution when buying oil for them.

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buickanddeere

02-05-2005 05:21:17




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
One of the controversial oil topics is the change interval. Depends on the engine, fuel, oil,filter and operating conditions. That said in the days of oil bath aircleaners, non detergent oil, leaded gasoline and short trip driving in cold weather where the manual choke was often forgotten and left on. Then yes an oil change and fresh set of points every 1500-3000 miles was a good idea. Lets move up to 2005. Unleaded fuel, better metal, improved production tolerances and less unburned fuel to polute the lube oil. Unless your name is Aunt Mildred and you drive 20 miles per week in about eight separate trips. And don't know what a block heater is. There is no reason on the face of the earth to change the oil more often than every 8000-10,000 miles and a new filter 1/2 way through. If in hot towing conditions then you should be using synthetic as it will not break down. Mineral oil changed at even every 500 miles in going to breakdown and coke/gum when it encounters high temps.

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jdemaris

02-05-2005 11:56:44




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to buickanddeere, 02-05-2005 05:21:17  
I disagree with the assertion "There is no reason on the face of the earth to change the oil more often than every 8000-10,000 miles . . ." Newer engines run hotter than the older ones, they run thinner oil (to meet EPA fuel efficiency requirements), and they use high detergent oil that keeps impurities in suspension rather than let them settle out to the bottom of the oil pan. Modern oil also uses more additives that have a certain useful life, and with diesel engines, the soot that is carried by the oil needs to be removed more often than general impurities in a gas engine. Changing the oil gets rid of them in either. And, even with an adjusted dollar value, new cars and trucks cost a heck of lot more today - thus the oil is a relatively cheap insurance policy. My 87 Suburban with 6.2 diesel just turned 500,000 miles and the engine has never been apart. But - I waste my money changing the oil every 2500 miles will Shell Rotella.

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buickanddeere

02-05-2005 12:21:15




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to jdemaris, 02-05-2005 11:56:44  
Old habits,traditions and beliefs die hard. And a mind made up is not going to be changed no matter what it's told. 290,000 miles on the bottom end of my old Grand National with oil changed at 10,000 miles. Runs a low 12, high 11 quarter mile anytime. My 2003 truck's automatic oil change reminder chimes in at about 10,000 miles. Who knows more about that engine? The engineers, the company holding the drivetrain extended warrenty or the members of the local coffee shop? Until the days of computer controled emissions engines and unleaded fuel. Those big engines running cool and loafing along were a big deal if they made 100,000 miles. Now a little hot highly stressed engine goes 250,000 miles on fewer oil changes and it's not news.

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jdemaris

02-05-2005 12:57:39




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to buickanddeere, 02-05-2005 12:21:15  
Oh well, more assertions I don't agree with. Insulting ones at that. My beliefs don't "die hard"; they change easily when hard facts support such change. Catch-phrases i.e. "a mind made up is not going to be changed no matter what it's told" certainly do not hold true universally. I cannot speak for you (as you have done for others), but it does not hold true for me or many people that I know. My mind is made up only until it changes, and the latter occurs with frequency. I can provide anecdotal information all day long to support virtually any side of an argument. I've got a friend who bought a new Toyota pickup truck a few years ago, and has never changed the oil, ever. It now has 135,000 miles on it and runs fine. He says, at this point, he's afraid to change the oil; might "upset the applecart." To use inductive reasoning from this, and assume now that oil changes are never necessary - would be a little silly. For me, I've got no valid reason to doubt the maintenance suggestions of the engineers that design modern engines and modern engine oil. I believe they do a little research beyond the scope of "Old habits,traditions and beliefs."

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buickanddeere

02-05-2005 13:50:19




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to jdemaris, 02-05-2005 12:57:39  
So changing the oil at 2500 miles, long before the additives were depleted or the oil filter beginning to restrict is a good idea? To say it again. It isn't the 1950's/1960's with lower quality oils, leaded gasoline, manual choke, cooler running engines. And engines that didn't burn all the fuel and contaminated the lube oil. It's 2005. Use quality oil, a quality filter ( not Fram) and change the oil when the manufacture says it needs to be changed. 8000 and 10,000 miles here on these GM gas units. Early oil changes are just emptying your pocket into an oil companies pocket. Plus more used oil to dispose of. For industrial power applications the oil never really gets changed unless a gross failure of an airfilter, injector or coolant leak etc polutes the oil. Just keep topping the sump up, run a sample to the lab, change the full flow and bypass filter.

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jdemaris

02-05-2005 18:57:02




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to buickanddeere, 02-05-2005 13:50:19  
It depends on the situation. I DID say I generally give credence to manufacturors' maintenance recommendations (but not necessarily your's). If you have a 2005 GM and it recommends an 8,000 - 10,000 oil change interval while used in an area with temperature ranges from -35 below F. to 105 plus F, mostly dirt roads, and quite a bit of stop-and-go, or slow speed farm use - mixed in with trailer towing - go for it. I opt not too. The few bucks I spend on oil changes is less than a drop-in-the-bucket when compared to the price of diesel and gasoline fuel used. In regard to your claims about the necessity of synthetic oil for a tow vehicle - absolute nonsense. It is no secret that synthetic oil is far superior to petroleum based oil in many ways, including flash point, viscosity stability, and breakdown. It's been used and tested in taxis, police cars, and aviation for many years. It also cost a lot more than petroleum based motor oil. The fact that one is better than the other, does not render the lesser oil as inadequate. My tow vehicles have held up exceptionally well, I use conventional oil (flash point 420F) that's half the price of synthetic, and I change it twice as often. I don't know why you lose sleep over it - but it's your problem not mine (unless I keep responding to these posts).

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buickanddeere

02-06-2005 22:25:19




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to jdemaris, 02-05-2005 18:57:02  
Looks like me have to try and agree that we disagree? The 99 is 8000 highway miles and the 2003 is about 10,000 highway miles. Getting a bit off topic here but..... . If the Walley brand truely meets specs even in the fine print for the application. Then Walley Lube will work fine. That mineral oil may flash at 420F but the damage was done long before that temp. The rate of oxidation and coking increases exponentially and rapidly ruins mineral oil as temps rise approx. 250F. Mineral oil may have just 50 miles on an oil change and be already ruined if has been ran too hot. No amount of oil changes will benefit here. The same oil kept at 180-200F and used with a quality filter. May still test usable after 15,000+ miles.

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Bubba

02-05-2005 10:00:05




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to buickanddeere, 02-05-2005 05:21:17  
Oh really? Your oil/filter change interval is wrong. Most vehicle and lubricant manufacturers and mechanics will tell you it's wrong.

BTW, if you use synthetic oil, you don't need a block heater unless you live north of the Artic Circle.



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buickanddeere

02-05-2005 12:07:34




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Bubba, 02-05-2005 10:00:05  
Oil change interval on wife's van is 12,500KM which is 7800 miles or rounded off to 8000 miles. Go to Europe and they will won't believe you change the oil at 2,3 even 5 thousand miles. The block heater should be used even if the engine will start without it at below freezing temps. I used to see neighbours idling vehicles for 10-30 minutes to warm up and clear the windshields. Ever calculate the amout of fuel $$$ burned vs a few cents of electricity? How many vehicles get stolen while idling to warm up? When does engine wear take place..... ..... . cold starts. How much electrical system stress is avoided by strating a warm engine? How much poilution is avoided by starting and running a warm engine? Preheating the coolant just sets the engine up for failure in -40 weather. The upper engine is warm enough to start but the mineral lube oil is gelled down in the oil. The engine runs a long time, or tries to without lubricant.\ An oil pan heater, extremely thin mineral oil or synthetic is required in artic conditions. You can keep making the oil refiners rich. And fewer oil changes means less used oil disposed of down storm,sanitary and ditch drains.

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Bubba

02-05-2005 15:56:11




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to buickanddeere, 02-05-2005 12:07:34  
I'm not in Europe so I don't care what they do.

Block heaters use a TREMENDOUS amount of electricity, like 10-15 amps and are simply unnecessary.

You claim "Preheating the coolant just sets the engine up for failure in -40 weather" right after you endorse block heaters which heat the coolant. Make up your mind.

I'll let the engineers decide on oil/filter change intervals. That's what they get paid for.

And, for your information, just because you dump your drain oil in the ditch, that doesn't mean anyone else does. Mine gets recycled, all 200+ quarts, every year.

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thurlow

02-05-2005 18:47:42




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Bubba, 02-05-2005 15:56:11  
Not getting into the oil thing..... "my mind is made up; don't confuse me with the facts"..... I think that's basically everyone else's attitude also; as far as the block heaters, I've used 'em for 40 plus years on my feed tractors, ever since our first diesel farm tractor. Keep 2 plugged in all winter; one with heater in the oil pan uses about 25 cents worth of electricity per day; one with heater in water jacket (freeze plug) uses about a dollar and a half's worth of electricity per day, so it's on a timer; only on 3 hours per day. Some of the best money I spend is that 40 or 50 cents per day..... ..for (old) tractors that HAVE GOT to start every day.

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buickanddeere

02-05-2005 17:17:58




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Bubba, 02-05-2005 15:56:11  
Read it again about the block heater and think it through at -40. What kind of a block heater for a vehicle draws 10-15 amps? Most are 600W which is 5.0 amps. How can 4 to 8 hours of electricity cost more than the fuel to idle for 15+ minutes plus engine wear and electrical stress? Don't you care about extra engine wear from cold starts or just wear from dirty oil? You may dispose of oil properly but sad to say most home mechanics don't. Where in the operators manual does it say to change the oil at 2500 miles for highway driving? In Europe it costs too much to waste extra resources of any kind. Hence they service when required. If you don't believe me find out for yourself. Change the oil and take a sample to the lab after 500 miles then every 2000 miles afterwards. As long as your engine isn't seaping antifreeze, has a dribbling injector or dirt getting into the engine's intake. You will be amazed how long oil sample stays about the same at every test. I'll take science over an "error on the side of caution" policy of 2500 mile oil changes.

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Bubba

02-05-2005 22:40:28




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to buickanddeere, 02-05-2005 17:17:58  
Engineers know about science. Obviously you don't. Nor can you read. I said nothing about oil change intervals. But as long as you brought it up my owners's manuals say 3,000 miles. So that's what I do.

My block heaters are all 1200 watt heaters. Don't need them any longer since using synthetic oil.

If you idle your engine for 15+ minutes to warm it up, you obviously don't read your owner's manual either. Mine states very clearly... start it and then drive it.

Where do you get off claiming most home mechanics dump oil on the grund? Just because you do? I don't know where you are from but #1 you go to jail for doing that here and #2 we have mandatory recycling... there is no garbage pickup of any kind. You take everything to the recycling center once a week and pay to dispose of it. Maybe you guys in Europe would rather pollute the earth but in the US we are a little smarter.

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buickanddeere

02-06-2005 22:06:49




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Bubba, 02-05-2005 22:40:28  
You are going to have to get your facts straight. Suprise, I can read and even write with some success. How did you accumulate 500,000 miles with short trips that didn't last long enough to warm the engine properly? That's a lot of short trips, where did you find the time to do them all? I really doubt you purchase synthetic oil but all the more power to you for extreme cold or heat. A 1200W block heater only needs to be used for an hour or two at best. Less energy used than a 600W left on all night. I see drivers around here idling their vehicles
until the windshield clears or ice/snow. That's 15+ minutes. As for the amount of oil, paint and assorted chemicals dumped into storm and sanitary drains. Ask somebody in the PUC about how much of this illegal dumping goes on. America #1, the best, the smartest..... .depends on who you ask. I just read an incident about giving away cookies to neighbours. That's not an isolated incident of some odd reasoning and values. Where did North American's import conservation technology from? Europe where everything is more costly to produce and dispose of. And enviromental regulations were tightened decades or more ahead of North America.

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TomTX

02-04-2005 21:28:17




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
It never ceases to amaze me that people will spend thousands for their equipment and tractors, and pay from $60 up per hour of shop labor for repairs, and spend big dollars on parts, but when it comes to quality lubricants try to tight wad it and risk big money down the road. I read an article that over 80% or failures on farm engines/equipment was due to poor lubricants and poor maintenance practices. I know many local farmers that won't even buy oil engineered for diesel engines, they just run gasoline engine oils in their tractors. Pinch pennies, then cry at the coffee shop about the large repair bills.

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Galen

02-05-2005 04:35:19




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to TomTX, 02-04-2005 21:28:17  
Haven't been "cryin at the coffee shop" - town doesn't even have one! I been using Wally oil for about 10-12 years now WITH NO PROBLEMS IN ANYTHING. What is amazing to me is all the farmers that are in hock to their eyeballs that spend 8 hours a day at the coffee shop (or convienience store deli in our case) complaining how bad they got it. My brother is one of those guys - got to have the "newest" or "latest" - we're still on the same place that Grandpa & Dad farmed with a Farmall F-20, then an H and an M. But now, all of a sudden, it's impossible to do ('course, he also wonders how he got in debt so far that he had to sell part of the place to me). It all boils down to how you have to manage your operation - if Walmart oil fits into that buget, and a "name brand" don't, then that's what you use. Everyone has to decide for themselves what they need to do or use. As for Diesel - don't have one, don't want one. This isn't meant as a flame , TomTX, just my two cents!

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MAC,IL

02-04-2005 11:37:54




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
Hard telling who makes the oil for them, depends on where they can get it the cheapest. Like their oil filters, they sure look like A/C to me, Markings on inside are the same. I dont use their oil, no particular reason I guess as I can buy name brand oil at the local TSC for 30-40-cents less on the qt.



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lucasss

02-04-2005 11:34:50




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
one spring i got some wlmart oil to use in spring tuneups, i started getting some pistons gauld up on some small engines with aluminum cylinders with walmart oil,these were on customers spring tuneups. cooling fins were clean and engines not running to lean.i went back to penzoil and no gauding problems for several years.. otherwise i know of no problems with walmart oil. lucas



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Dave Sherburne, NY

02-04-2005 07:28:09




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
I tried itin my 75 Chevy and it started using
oil , I won't try it in my 85 GMC.



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Galen

02-04-2005 05:42:32




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
Well - all I use is Wally Super-Tech. Been using it in my 1997 F-150 for the past 330,000 miles, and my wife's 1999 Expediton for 110,000 with no problems. Won't knowingly use Penz, but would use Quaker State. Like they said - all of them meet the standards. If I'd have bought Penz, QS, Valvoline, Trop-Artic, etc., etc....name brand all these miles, Id have wasted over $2000 (I change oil every 2500-3000 miles). It's all personal preference, but 1/2 to 2/3 the price can't be beat (even if Penz does make it).

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leland

02-04-2005 19:42:06




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Galen, 02-04-2005 05:42:32  
FYI penz oil and q-state are now the same company



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Galen

02-05-2005 04:37:19




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to leland, 02-04-2005 19:42:06  
Well - that's good to know, but since I haven't used anything but Wally for years, and will continue that direction, I guess it don't matter! Thanks for the info!



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Wont darken their door

02-04-2005 05:11:16




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
I can afford to shop elsewhere.



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Joel Harman

02-04-2005 06:08:21




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Wont darken their door, 02-04-2005 05:11:16  
I second your thoughts. Have purchased 2 items from wally world in last few yrs because I'm too lazy to call manufacturer of socks to find another retailer that carries them. Wally world treats employees like equipment. Not all their stuff is "MADE in AMERICA". They expect workers to clock out then continue to work, off the clock. They work folks 38 hr/week so no benefits.
Nuff said.



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Bill WI

02-04-2005 07:58:10




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Joel Harman, 02-04-2005 06:08:21  
Seem like a bunch of happy "slaves" as compared to some of the attitudes at other stores. Never see much of the other stores giving as much to the local community. About a month ago followed a pickup with a "don't buy WalMart" into the WalMart lot. Made my day. Spend YOUR money where you like.



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Joel Harman

02-04-2005 09:40:32




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Bill WI, 02-04-2005 07:58:10  
thank you for sharing. I do vote with my pocketbook.

How many of your local hardware stores are still in business?



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John (MO)

02-04-2005 07:57:23




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Joel Harman, 02-04-2005 06:08:21  
Best I can tell, our local Wal-Mart employees more than twice as many people as all the stores combined that have gone out of business since they came to town. They are publicly owned and traded and sell lots of things that simply weren't available before they came to town. They also sell many things cheaper than what we paid for those same things other places. Not a bad deal in my opinion. But everyone is welcome to spend their own money, or not spend it as the case may be, where ever they choose to do that at. I too have several places I never shop or spend any money for one reason or another, Wal-Mart isn't one of them. However I will admit that I have never had any experience of working for them to know first hand how people are treated. On the other hand I've had employees work for me who thought it was terrible for me to require an honest hours work for an honest hours pay. Bet every employeer has had an employee or two like that.

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BillS

02-03-2005 23:45:59




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
Finally a question I can answer with some authority. I worked at a place called Warren Performance Packaging in Council Bluffs, Iowa. They and their second manufacturing facility in Guntersville, Alabama blend and package the lions share of Wal-Marts oil products. Wal-Mart oil is identical to Trop Artic oil. They just changed the labels and bottle colors and kept on running. Checkout their website at wd-wpp.com High quality oil manufactured by a great bunch of people right here in the heartland.

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Davis In SC

02-03-2005 20:52:09




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
I'll save my pennies & keep buying Rotella.. A lifetime supply of oil is cheaper than an engine.



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old

02-03-2005 21:28:13




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Davis In SC, 02-03-2005 20:52:09  
Thats what I use in my diesels when I have one



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James in North Carolina

02-03-2005 19:42:57




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
Wal Mart actually has more then one supplier for their oil. Also since Pennzoil and Quaker sta e do not own refineries, their oil is refined by someone else too.

Check out the forums at:

bobistheoilguy.com

for more interesting info on oil, filters etc. James



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dr.sportster

02-03-2005 19:03:13




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
I like to buy by the API rating SG severe grade.



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Bob

02-04-2005 01:06:30




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to dr.sportster, 02-03-2005 19:03:13  
FYI....

"SG" DOES NOT mean "severe grade".



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dr.sportster

02-04-2005 07:57:07




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Bob, 02-04-2005 01:06:30  
Bob,Help.What does it mean?



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Redd

02-04-2005 16:35:03




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to dr.sportster, 02-04-2005 07:57:07  
Regarding SG, CD etc... What I was taught in school 20 years ago was that as the API started to develop a modern rating system they chose S for gas engines (maybe spark? ign) and C for diesel (compression ign) the second letter was the severity rating SD was better than SC, SE better than SD and so on. I don't think its relevent anymore. I think most name brands are qualified.



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Jay (ND)

02-04-2005 19:12:24




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Redd, 02-04-2005 16:35:03  
The S is for Service, the C for Commercial.

For a breakdown from SA all the way to todays SL - see the chart below. In the S (gasoline) side, ALL new specs supersede the old ones. On the C (diesel) side, most do. BTW, SD is a 1971 spec.



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dr.sportster

02-05-2005 05:34:14




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Jay (ND), 02-04-2005 19:12:24  
Thanks Jay,Its time to reeducate myself about oil ratings.



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J. Schwiebert

02-04-2005 19:03:58




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Redd, 02-04-2005 16:35:03  
The system is still relevent. I must be oldered than you. SA was a non detergent oil. SC was the in oil when I was a tean. Now you can see how much progress has been made. The same is true for Diesel oil and other lubricants as well. When I worked for the dealer multiviscosity diesel oil like 15W-40 was unheard of.



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rotten robert

02-03-2005 18:09:05




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
I have been running wally oil for several years now with no problems. I have one vehicle at 150K and two over 200K miles and still running well on it. I think someone on here said they heard it was Valvoline. Sorta tastes and smells like it or maybe Conoco. Pennz and Quaker have a sweeter smell than this stuff does.



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old

02-03-2005 16:40:07




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to BobPA, 02-03-2005 16:13:02  
Even if it was penz I wouldn't use it> I also will never use quakerstate. Have you ever taken an engine apart that has run either for a long time?? If not you probably wouldn't want to both oils leave a gummy stuff all over parts inside of the engine. Why? Both oils have wax in them. I use only Valvaline raceing oil and if I can't get that casteroil



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gahorN

02-03-2005 20:54:10




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to old, 02-03-2005 16:40:07  
If you want to start a riot...just go to the motor oil section of WalMart and start talking about how only YOUR favorite brand of oil is any good! ;�
Virtually all motor oil meets the same API standards, and as for WalMart "SuperTech" brand....It's been running in my 92 Jeep Cherokee for 241,000 miles now without any engine work other than a water pump, two sets of spark plugs and a set of spark plug wires. I don't claim 88-cent WalMart oil is so good it made it go that far. I just know that it didn't PREVENT it from going that far....and it still only uses about 1/2 qt between oil changes....which, by the way, I only do at 4K-5K miles depending upon when it's convenient for me. (I also use the cheap $1.50 SuperTech filters.) Bottom line is that over the 60 oil changes involved I've saved about $700-$900 otherwise thrown away for big-name advertising....which is all it CAN be for since my vehicle is doing just fine. I plan to keep on driving it using WalMart el-cheapo oil.

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Jay (ND)

02-04-2005 19:47:09




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to gahorN, 02-03-2005 20:54:10  
No matter how many times it's explained to me, I still don't understand this new math.



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old

02-03-2005 21:19:10




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to gahorN, 02-03-2005 20:54:10  
Very true. But I will also guess you never plan to take that engine apart. If you did you would find about 1/4-1/2 inch of build up all over the inside of the engine.Also another way to tell how good your oil is is take the head off and see how big a ridge you have at the top of the cylinders. My self I like litte to no ridge and that is what I get useing Valvoline Raceing oil. It also says a lot when most race cars at indy run valvoline.

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mike j

02-04-2005 08:52:51




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to old, 02-03-2005 21:19:10  
True story I worked for a place that did cylinder head work on winston cup motors (that is all we did) in the late 80's-early 90's the quaker state car could barely finnish a race without an oil related failure some one convinced them to put mobil1 in the car (without the sponsers knowing of course) and problems disapeared. As far as penzoil sludging up a motor, since they changed the mix in the early 80's, doesn't happen.friend had a 302 ford that over 200k on it 140k he put on it nothing but penz ever ran since he got it changed maybe 3 times in 140k(he 's not so great on maintenence all his cars go through this) motor was pulled down at about 200k to freshen it up as it was going in a mustang (motor outlived the car) ihelped pull it down and it looked like it was just put together CLEAN NO SLUDGE. My$.02 mike

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dr.sportster

02-04-2005 08:07:34




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to old, 02-03-2005 21:19:10  
OLd,They may claim to run Valv and advertise it on the car but the oil they really run is kept secret in most cases.They will be glad to take the contingency money by advertising oil at Indy.



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big fred

02-04-2005 07:19:42




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to old, 02-03-2005 21:19:10  
Most Indy car engines need an overhaul after only 500 miles, though I ain't sayin' that's because of the Valvoline oil...



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hay

02-04-2005 04:33:19




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to old, 02-03-2005 21:19:10  
cylinder ridge is caused by normal wear. not necessarily by cheap grade oil. most often times it is caused by an engine running hot, like being worked too hard.



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cole in mo.

02-04-2005 04:15:45




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to old, 02-03-2005 21:19:10  
I've used wally world super tech in a 85 ford ranger 2.8 v6 for 150000, pulled the pan for main seals at 112 tho. and no sludge at all anywhere in the engine, the pan was chean and shiny. Can't say the same for higher priced better advertised oils.



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Pitch

02-04-2005 02:45:51




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to old, 02-03-2005 21:19:10  
gahorN got 241000 miles using wallyworld oil. Why would he care what the engine looks like inside? I strongly suspect that if in another 30 or 40,000 the car dies he"ll say "Hey that was a good car" He probably won"t be tearing that engine down looking for sludge. I run whatever is on sale except (Quaker State)and all three of my vehicles are on the high side of 160,000 as long as it meets API standards for the vehicle and you change regularly it don"t matter what you use.
PS never have had an oil related failure or an oilburner. My "89 Chev with the 305 has bad valve seals and burns a bit on startup but that is a known problem with high mileage GM small blocks.

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Big Jim

02-04-2005 00:20:26




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to old, 02-03-2005 21:19:10  
About all it really says is that Valvoline spends a lot of money at Indy and there is not a competetive edge to using one brand or the other. I would strongly suspect the oil that finds its way into Indy motors is not exactly the same stuff you buy at checker.



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oland

02-04-2005 03:49:08




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Big Jim, 02-04-2005 00:20:26  
There is a good website called Bobistheoilguy that has much information about all kinds of lubricants. There are,of course,many opinions there about different brands of oil but there is also a lot of factual information which seems to agree on several things. All the oils are good if they meet the current specs. Many oils that are priced higher such as Valvoline are not any better than many of the cheaper oils that are not highly advertised. One of the best automotive oils seems to be Havoline and Chevron,which reportedly use about the same formulation since Chevron merged with Texaco. All of the Chevron lubricants are highly thought of on that website,I use them exclusively in all my tractors and cars.

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T_Bone

02-04-2005 08:16:58




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to oland, 02-04-2005 03:49:08  
Hi Guys,

I too used to think all API rated oil was about the same. Here's what changed my mind.

The past 40yrs I've always used Pennzoil/QuakerState with Fram filters, 3k mile changes. Got 250k from all my vehicles. They were ready for the junk yard both in engine ware and body.

With Pennzoil I started using oil in my bb400ci Dodge truck at 1qt/500miles. The engine always ran 1qt/1000miles since new. Changed to QuakerState and oil usage went back too 1qt/1000miles.

I noticed just before I quit driving the Dodge I was back too 1qt/500miles, then I found out Pennzoil bought QuakerState in 2000.

I bought a new 2000 Chevy 4cyl for a throw away car at 150k, maybe 200k. I wanted to change the oil once per year or about 6k mile changes. I used QuakerState and Fram. Oil was very black with a heavy gas odor. Factory oil was dark amber with a lite gas odor. Both 6k mile changes.
Ran QuakerState for 12k miles and both changes were the same.

In the mean time I bought a new 02 F350 PSD and decided on Chevron Delo and factory filters. During my oil search for the PSD, I found that all oil is not created equal. I wanted 5k mile changes on the PSD either pulling or empty. I get that with no problems. Oil is dark amber on the dip stick at 5k miles.

I then switched the Chevy 4cyl to Chevron Supreme and factory filters. First 6k mile oil change I could see a slight difference. The 2nd 6k mile change with CS I was back to the dark amber color just like the factory oil.

As a added benefit, I noticed my fuel mileage increased on the car by 2mpg the first 6k mile change and 4mpg increase the 2nd CS 6k mile oil change.

By that time I also had noticed that I got a 4mpg increase in fuel mileage using Union76 fuel. With Texaco I lost 4mpg and Mobil I lost 2mpg.

So with CS oil and Union76 fuel, I'm now getting 38mpg consistanly on the Chevy 4cyl, up from 30mpg using Texaco fuel and QuakerState oil.

My son switched his Ford 6cyl gasser too CS oil and got a 2mpg increase so it wasn't a fluke.

T_Bone

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Dale in WV

02-04-2005 15:43:09




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to T_Bone, 02-04-2005 08:16:58  
T-Bone. I appreciate the information and will have to give serious thought to swapping oil for a couple changes just to see if I'm as blessed as you on your MPGs -- even for a smaller truck.

As to the question about what does SG mean, I found a site>Link

Wallymart will probably still get my business, but it may be a different label.

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T_Bone

02-05-2005 09:14:58




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 Re: Wal-Mart oil in reply to Dale in WV, 02-04-2005 15:43:09  
Hi Dale,

Just to make sure were clear, I did not get any mileage increase on my PSD with Chevron Delo, I only got the fuel mileage increase on the gasser.

For general info to the group, for diesel engines were at a CI, API rating.
For gassers were at SL, API rating.

The diesel CI rating was born for the new 2005 EPA requirment of EGR for diesels that would require the oil to hold more soot in suspension.

I didn't here why gasser oils were changed from SJ to SL at the same time.

T_Bone

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