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Price of R-134A

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Garry(NC)

02-02-2005 19:34:18




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Does anyone know the reason for the sudden and large price increase of R-134A? The local Sam"s club price was around $60-$65/ 30# drum back in december. Two days ago it had climbed to $147.
I heard from one person something about a fire at a refrigerant manufacturing plant creating a shortage but do not know if this is true. Are there any web sites that for this topic. I read these forums almost every night and enjoy all of them. Thanks to everyone for a lot of good information.
Garry.

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thejdman01

02-04-2005 17:12:50




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 Re: Price of R-134A in reply to Garry(NC), 02-02-2005 19:34:18  
i must say if somone still has an r12 it isnt hard convincing them to keep there r12 system. r12 boils off at -30 deg f and r134 -22 that 8 deg does make a huge difference. esp on a dodge where theres 4 foot of hose as the orfice tube is by the drivers side bumper and has 4 ft of hose until it reaches the passenger compartment and picks up all the engine heat. thats why on a dodge on a hot day they will say it sucks. esp on loaders w/all that heat r12 does make a big difference. thats why on a didge if you wrap the hose with insulation tape it makes a world of difference i have been told it increases efficiency up to 15% all i know is the few i have wraped in tape told me it worked better just wrapping tape around it then ti did new. htese new systems are very finicky speaking of them new ones are sensitive to 1/4 of an ounce some of the new ones. 1/4 of an ounce means the difference between charged and not. remember in the old days with r12 when if you had a 1lb a year loss you thought the system was pretty tight and pretty good.lol im dating myself

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MAC,IL

02-04-2005 10:00:05




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 Re: Price of R-134A in reply to Garry(NC), 02-02-2005 19:34:18  
Just like gasoline, they know you need it so therefore they can jack a guy around on the price.



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thejdman01

02-04-2005 07:31:19




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 Re: Price of R-134A in reply to Garry(NC), 02-02-2005 19:34:18  
recently attended a macs seminar. things are going to get real dicy in the next 5 years. europeans are going to try running carbon dioxide and running pressures upwards off 600 psi in systems on the high side. waht the us is going to use who knows. so now there will be 4+ different systems out there. they expect the changes to occur w/in the next 5 years. i would stock pile some r134 and am now. i still have out in the corner of the shop some r12. on the top of one of the cases (a case of 1 pound cans) i marked on there 1.10 per lb. i have about 100 1 lb gunk cans of r12 and about 20 30 lb cylinders. around here 35 bucks a pound is not very unrealistic i have a very nice nest egg in the corner of my shop and recently on fall clearence i saw they had r134 at 3 dollars a lb in 30 lb cylinders guess i should buy some of that from what you guys are saying

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Hobo,NC

02-03-2005 17:08:39




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 Re: Price of R-134A in reply to Garry(NC), 02-02-2005 19:34:18  
My guess is the Chinese have brought it all up like they did on steel and glycol. 134 was spose to be regulated like R12 and I have herd it was still in the works. Kin tell ya 134 was over a 100 dollars when it first came out and the last I brought at the wholesale level was in the 40 dollar range that was last summer at that price I stocked up. 134 is on its way out soon so the price will not stay their. R12 has now got to a price that�s I can afford it, ya got to shop around and make a offer it has been suck a slow seller that some will sell at a big loss to git rid of it. I got some R12 for under $10 a can last year. My problem was I sold only a case of it so it was a slow seller for me to alternatives now work as good so theirs not a demand for R12

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Garry(NC)

02-03-2005 16:34:28




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 Re: Price of R-134A in reply to Garry(NC), 02-02-2005 19:34:18  
I did some websearching later in the evening and found a news release from Dupont on the ASHRAE web site concerning 'interupted production' of R134A. This was back in September. That seems a little long ago for the prices to be increasing now. I was just wondering if the price will come back down any time soon or ever. I don't think that the govt. has added any taxes to R134. It could be like anti-freeze, oil etc.- AMP- Additional Manufacturer Profit-(my term!) I guess supply and demand has something to do with it, it just seems like the demand would be low in the middle of winter in North America. If nothing else changes, prices will probably further increase in Spring and Summer.

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RustyFarmall

02-03-2005 06:59:22




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 Re: Price of R-134A in reply to Garry(NC), 02-02-2005 19:34:18  
I remember back when we could buy the R-12, the price suddenly went up due to fire at the manufacturing plant. Anti-freeze took a big jump in price due to a fire at the plant. Any one notice a trend here? Think someone is pulling our leg?



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xragman

02-03-2005 06:34:21




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 Re: Price of R-134A in reply to Garry(NC), 02-02-2005 19:34:18  
like most everthing else. keep raising the price to see what customer will pay!



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John/FL

02-02-2005 20:04:25




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 Re: Price of R-134A in reply to Garry(NC), 02-02-2005 19:34:18  
Same here in South Florida ... last week 134A at Sam's Club was around S127.00 for 30 lb cylinder ... used to be in $65.00 range a while back. My thoughts are "Uncle Sam" decided to levy some heavy duty taxes on it ... like R-12? Could be to balance the Social Security deficit. Don't have a clue as to what's really going on, but glad I don't 134A on a regular basis. John



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