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Earl S.

01-26-2005 21:26:10




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I see some solar powered & batt power which is recomended.I am looking to purchase need your advice. Thank You. Earl




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T_Bone

01-29-2005 22:09:35




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 Re: Auto darkening helmet in reply to Earl S., 01-26-2005 21:26:10  
Hi Earl,

Here's a reprint of my Welding hood thoughts:

Weldinghoods:

The most important part of a welding hood is the lens as it protects your eyes. Welding is very hard on your eyesight. I went from a minus 125 vision correction to minus 575 (coke bottles) in 20yrs of full time welding. I then backed off of full time welding(8hrs/day) to 8hrs/week for the next 10yrs then to couple welds a year for the next 10yrs and my vision in the past 10yrs has returned to minus 450. Not good but showing just how welding can effect your eyes.

There is a difference in a plastic lens and a all glass lens. A plastic lens will create a weld puddle distortion of two weld puddles with-in the lens area. One phoney weld puddle and the real weld puddle. This distortion can be seen best seen while Tig welding but is present under all types of welding.

A all glass lens will stop the distortion. The best glass lens I found is called a Cool-Ray lens. The glass cool-ray lens has a layer of gold over the glass face. They cost about $60 eh but well worth it as your eyes will not be tired nor burned at the end of 8hrs of welding. Being there is a layer of gold on the outside of the lens, you want to use a fiber gasket, then a clear glass lens, then the glass cool-ray lens, then another clear glass lens on the inside. There is a gold colored plastic lens, this is not the correct lens!

Plastic corrective eye glasses will also give the weld puddle distrotion.

How can you tell if your eyes have been burned or your feeling the effects of welding? At night just before you fall asleep with your eyes closed you will feel a very warm feeling in your eyes. This is welding burn also called flash burn. Your eyes are telling you to do someting different!

Welding shade number:
I found over the years that a number 10 cool-ray is good for stick and Mig welding and a number 12 is good for Tig welding.

The best welding hood I've found is the Huntsman 411P. It's made from a lite weight fiber thats easy on the neck and cool on your face after 8hrs of welding. Plastic or fiberglass hoods will heat soak while welding where as the fiber hood will not heat soak. This will cause you to become tired easy thus letting your eyes wonder and not consentrating on the weld puddle.

Autodarkening welding hoods:
I'm not a fan of the auto hoods. One, they use a plastic lens and you get weld puddle distortion. Two, there heavy and your neck will let you know it at the end of the day. Three and the big one, what comes first to make the autodarken feature work? The ARC strike! so your eyes will pick-up a small amount of arc flash before the lens darkens.

So how do you tell where to stike the arc? Place your electrode next to where you going to strike the arc then flip down your hood, then strike the arc. With experience you will quickly master striking the arc where you want it.

T_Bone

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RickL

01-27-2005 19:05:06




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 Re: Auto darkening helmet in reply to Earl S., 01-26-2005 21:26:10  
I didn't mean to cause wrong info on these auto change helments not working in the cold. All I know is when I went looking they all told me the rated tempature they would work at and my shop is usually below freezing in the winter when I was doing weld projects. And they all told me not much below or near that temp they would have problems so I never pursued it any further. I like what I did instead a whole lot better anyway.

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BFO

01-27-2005 17:47:51




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 Re: Auto darkening helmet in reply to Earl S., 01-26-2005 21:26:10  
I'll put in a vote for Speedglass. I use the 9000X models and am very happy. Battery operated and yes worked just fine today @ -22 C. Had a solar powered helmet that will go un-named here, and after a year went from 20/20 to 20/30 and monster headaches. That one is hangin on the wall now. HTH



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TimV

01-27-2005 10:58:21




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 Re: Auto darkening helmet in reply to Earl S., 01-26-2005 21:26:10  
I've got a cheapie Homier auto-darkening helmet. So far, in about a year of occasional use, I've had excellent luck. My garage is heated but not insulated, and it's never failed to work. The only thing I've noticed in the cold (say, freezing and below) is the shield takes a tiny bit longer to go from "dark" to "light". I haven't seen any difference in "light" to "dark", though these are rated so fast that I'm sure I wouldn't notice it anyway. I LOVE mine--it's helped my welding tremendously. Mine is battery (AAA) powered.

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thejdman01

01-27-2005 09:47:42




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 Re: Auto darkening helmet in reply to Earl S., 01-26-2005 21:26:10  
i am a certified welder auto darkening helmets WILL work when they are cold and also you will see little green dots when the helmet is off and it is cold. it is sort of like and lcd display so the droplets form around each other when cold. make sure in cold weather your batterys are good and fresh the helmet will work no matter how cold it gets( yeah i know the helmet will stop working if it gets cold enough but if its that cold he pobably wont be otut there welding) it will work when its cold but the crystals will be slower so the reaction time (though you wont notice it) but if you had sensitive enough equipment the reaction time of it switching is much slower then then 1/10,000th of a second or what ever the helmet is rated for and during the cold weather it will take more "juice" to make the helmet switch. so in the cold jsut make sureyou have good batteries even if you think there good replace them replace themsave them tripple a's for the remote clicker and make sure to set the delay to minium. and also a good helmet notice i said good not harbor freight will have a filter in them EVEB WHEN OFF that filters out uv light so itll be very bright but will not give you flash burn even if the helmet doesnt turn on. now thats not to say that you should use a helmet that doesnt work but you arent left out to dry even when shut off. i recommend htp america helmets jackson products makes hobart htp miller lenses htp i found is the cheapest w/the best product as there all jackson lenses. so you get the jackson product and arrenty w/o the miller price.

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Ron J Harmon

10-21-2005 21:46:55




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 Re: Auto darkening helmet in reply to thejdman01, 01-27-2005 09:47:42  
I am packing my gear once more, 2-3 mo's in -30 degree weather. As I was packing and checking my welding gear I start to wonder about my AUTO DARKENING SPEEDGLAS hood. Will it work in cold weather or should I go get a OLD SCHOOL hood.
Any one have a track record of the Speedglass 9002 in cold weather Thanks Ron J



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RickL

01-27-2005 09:14:13




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 Re: Auto darkening helmet in reply to Earl S., 01-26-2005 21:26:10  
I hope your shop is warm as they don't work when very cold. Thats what several companies told me when I was looking. I didn't buy one cause of that,I use a air power weld helment system anyway,thats the best move I made in welding period.



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farmweld

01-27-2005 05:02:10




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 Re: Auto darkening helmet in reply to Earl S., 01-26-2005 21:26:10  
i have an auto dark welding helmet and wouldnt trade it for the world. it is solar powered with a battery back up. i got it at a local welding supply company. some company in pennsylvaina. cost about 275.00. the only thing that was hurtin' was my wallet



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Weirsdale George

01-27-2005 03:03:02




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 Re: Auto darkening helmet in reply to Earl S., 01-26-2005 21:26:10  
I have a Hobart with solar cells and a battery. I think that all auto darkening helmets have some sort of battery to get the fast reaction time.

(One note: Get a helmet with replaceable batteries. My permanent 3V battery died at maybe 18-months. Ended up opening up the cartridge and wiring in a 2-battery AA holder.)



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