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Lincoln Weld Pack 115 wire welder

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Thor

01-25-2005 16:13:41




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Are these any good? The salesman said that it could weld up to a 1/4 inch but I am doubtful. What about tripping circuit breakers. Can it be run on a 20 amp circuit on the high setting or do you need a 30. Thanks for any replies.

Thor




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JonM

01-26-2005 19:20:17




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 Re: Lincoln Weld Pack 115 wire welder in reply to Thor, 01-25-2005 16:13:41  
I bought one two years ago for sheetmetal, it works good for that, also use it for tack welding parts together, before using the stick welder, it can weld up to 1/4 inch but has almost no penetration, the duty cycle is about right, if I use it alot it will quit for a couple minutes until it cools off. its not a bad welder for small items.



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mj

01-26-2005 12:14:30




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 Re: Lincoln Weld Pack 115 wire welder in reply to Thor, 01-25-2005 16:13:41  
Keep in mind that you can weld heavier material with flux-cored wire than with shielding gas and plain wire. My SP100 will make an acceptable weld on 3/16" to 1/4 " inch pieces whan using 'Innershield' wire. A note of caution: It is very easy to mis-size extension cords when using a 110v machine...so tempting to use a 14 or 16 ga. cord. Don't do it....use 12 ga. for short runs and 10 for longer ones.

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farmweld

01-26-2005 05:06:08




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 Re: Lincoln Weld Pack 115 wire welder in reply to Thor, 01-25-2005 16:13:41  
i have one of these at the farm for light repairs. light is key. maybe 3/32. for the money i would get an ac/dc buzzbox, lot more options. only limit would be the amperage that is needed. (generally 50 amps)



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T_Bone

01-26-2005 02:00:57




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 Re: Lincoln Weld Pack 115 wire welder in reply to Thor, 01-25-2005 16:13:41  
Hi Thor,

Nope I disagree with the salesman as a 115v Mig machine doesn't have enough amps to weld 1/4" metal in one pass. Good for about 3/32" thick material.

Lincoln machine numbers now have no relanship to there "true" amperage rating. A SP135T has a rating of 90a/18v/20% duty cycle to be useful. Yes at some point the machince can putout 135a but for only a very short time and under ideal conditions thats not really useful for a home shop wanting to weld 1/4" material.

In Mig machines, any amperage rating less than 200amps/20% duty cycle, is just a waste of time for typical home shop use.

T_Bone

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mike brown

01-26-2005 04:56:16




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 Re: Lincoln Weld Pack 115 wire welder in reply to T_Bone, 01-26-2005 02:00:57  
I agree with thor. I have a Lincoln 170sp and it isn't too good. The drive motors don't provide even enough wire feed causing eratic operation.

Mike



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Arizona Bob

01-26-2005 09:36:11




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 Re: Lincoln Weld Pack 115 wire welder in reply to mike brown, 01-26-2005 04:56:16  
A recurring thread that normally elicits opinions that these welders aren"t worth owning. Noted one a few days ago that ran true to form except that a fellow wrote that he"d been a welder, used some very high powered equipment, and that he had one of these units for lightweight stuff. It was refreshing to hear someone say that the Weld Pac does have a niche.

Will it weld 1/4". Certainly. One pass. Probably not. But I"m not in a big rush. I like my Weld Pac. It handy and does what I need done.

Bob

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T_Bone

01-27-2005 07:09:31




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 Re: Lincoln Weld Pack 115 wire welder in reply to Arizona Bob, 01-26-2005 09:36:11  
Hi Bob,

Yes the machines do have a niche in the shop for lite gauge welding. I've had one for the past 15yrs and it does well for what I bought it for, 16ga material but if I was going to buy again, I would choose a machine rated at 200a/20% duty cycle as it will weld more materials.

A person is buying a Mig machine to make continous welds. At 90a/20%DC your very limited on the amount of welding time, 2min out of 10min therefor short welds and small beads.

However a 200a/20%DC machine is rated at 150a/60%DC. At a 60% duty cycle and 150a, it's very easy to make a 1/4" single pass weld for 6min out of 10min with long welds and medium to heavy bead width.

The first 3/8" to 1/2" of Mig welds have cold lapp and need to be ground out before the weld can continue and be a quality weld.

I've written several articles on welding on this website and one that tells of how to test for a sound weld. See the link below.

I believe that if most Mig weldors would preform a simple weld test, they would find alot of there good looking Mig welds would fail.

T_Bone

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Arizona Bob

01-28-2005 08:49:29




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 Re: Lincoln Weld Pack 115 wire welder in reply to T_Bone, 01-27-2005 07:09:31  
Thanks T-Bone for the link and the information you"ve provided. The only exception I can take is the reason why people buy the welder.

A year or so ago I searched for and found the meaning of some of the welding terms you used. For my purposes a review of the video included with the welder the few times a year I use the machine is adequate. FWIW, with no background using a wire feed and probably less that 5 hours experience, I butt welded a couple pieces of 3/16" flat stock, let it cool and then put it in a vice and tried to break the weld. The stock bent but the weld didn"t break. Since then I have on occasion ground out a weld to see how well I"m doing.

I"ll agree with anyone that these small welders have a limit of 1/4". Yet, I remain firm in my conviction that for a "non welder" these are very useful tools.

Bob

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