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Tom in TN

01-23-2005 17:15:58

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About five years ago I bought a Campbell Hausfeld 4 HP air compressor. It has worked fine for me although I admit I only use it occasionally. About a year ago I saw a thing on the internet about a class-action lawsuit against CH alleging that their compressors didn't really have the HP rating that they stated when used under continuous usage conditions. I signed up for the lawsuit since my compressor met the criterion for the lawsuit.

About three weeks ago. I received a notice from CH saying that they had settled the lawsuit and that everyone who had registered for the lawsuit was entitled to redeem a certificate from them that was worth up to $50 for CH tools.

Yesterday, I received my new 1/2" air impact wrench that I ordered as redemption for the certificate.

What a deal! Did any of you get in on this too?

Tom in TN

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dr.sportster

01-26-2005 14:17:17

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 17:15:58

Do you think any lawyers are reading this ?

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Farmall Don

01-25-2005 12:09:38

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 17:15:58

A few years ago my father in law purchased a four cylinder unit (I think 60 gal) and he didnt try it or install it for 51 weeks. It was a "good deal" at TSC. In the 53rd week the motor blew with a 1 year warranty. They stuck him with the purchase of a new motor over one week. I think they got what they had coming and believe me I cannot stand these class action lawsuits, but sometimes maybe one out of hundreds of the lawsuits have some merit and one of these companies get a wake up call.

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Fred OH

01-24-2005 10:07:42

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 17:15:58

That must be the reasion that the el-cheapo that I got for a bargain and has 6 1/2 HP decal on the compressor has SPL on the decal on the motor. But it may be possible to get more HP from a motor...I once read where they were experimenting with a pump motor for the fuel for a rocket (which is way below zero in temperature) and they claimed they could get a steady 25 HP from a one HP motor and bursts of 50 HP from it...at those temperatures. Looks to me like it would twist the shaft off of a less than one inch motor shaft putting that much torque on it...especially at minus temps where the metal should be weaker. Anyone know anything about this? Fred OH

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RustyFarmall

01-24-2005 06:15:17

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 17:15:58

I just read this post and all of the replys. Am I missing something here? I am not the least bit concerned about how much "horsepower" an air compressor has. What I look for in any air compressor is the capacity in cubic feet per minute, or in simple terms, how much air can this machine deliver, and what is the air pressure available when delivering that air? In other words, will it deliver and maintain 11 CFM at 90 PSI? The horsepower rating of the electric motor is irrellevant, provided it can meet the demand.

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Kendall

01-26-2005 13:42:20

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-24-2005 06:15:17

Hey Rusty, cant tell you how many times I've said the same thing. Seems like manufactures and trying to out do each other - "my motor's bigger than your motor". They look at the current the motor draws for the first .005 seconds it starts up, under load, and say they have a 6 hp motor, and it runs on 120vac. Yeah right. Stick with the cfm/psi rating people.
By the way, the largest compressor I ever saw would keep a steady 100psi with a 2" exhaust pipe!!! Wonder what that cfm was? It had a hugmongus catipiller engine running it.

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Don c

01-24-2005 04:44:44

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 17:15:58

Sounds like that "50 dollar impact wrench" will make a good paper weight.

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Davis In SC

01-23-2005 19:29:58

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 17:15:58

Reckon the Lawyers got a free impact wrench also...? ... Just kidding...

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thurlow

01-23-2005 18:48:03

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 17:15:58

I've got 3 of their compressors plus a few other intermittent-use tools; they work fine..... .....for the use I make of them; why would I want to collect money for an injury that I haven't suffered????? ??? Even though in lawyer-speak, I may be entitled..... ....

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Tom in TN

01-23-2005 19:29:35

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to thurlow, 01-23-2005 18:48:03

Thurlow,

There's no "lawyer speak" about it. They falsely advertised their products. They admitted that the falsely advertised their products, and rather than pay a fine to a court somewhere for false advertising, they offered the court a settlement agreement. The agreement was to provide coupons worth $50 to all of their customers who bought their falsely advertised product irrespective of the results that the customers were having with the product.

It sounds like a good deal to me. They did something illegal. They paid the price for their illegal action by paying out to the people that they cheated.

Thanks CH, for the impact wrench.

Tom in TN

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Rod (NH)

01-23-2005 20:46:24

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 19:29:35

I am not convinced that it is actually false. It certainly is deceptive since it is not in accordance with recognized NEMA rating standards. Others do it also in the under 10HP category - in an attempt to beat the competition in selling to the uninformed buyer. It really is a matter of buyer beware. No careful buyer would decide based only on HP rating for an air compressor. It's the flow and pressure that count, not the HP. Who cares what the label plate says for HP if the thing does the job you ask it do do. That would be determined by the CFM rating - not the HP. I don't mean to stand up for CH but anytime that there is a class action suit the "injured parties" usually wind up with less than is justified and the lawyers laugh all the way to the bank. In this particular case I am having a hard time coming up with any truly injured party. The buyers got suckered if they thought they were getting something for essentially nothing. That's about the extent of it. They weren't cheated. They were suckered.

I suspect CH settled, not because they were doing something "illegal" or "false" but to stop or minimize the bleeding. Sometimes it's just cheaper that way, considering our current litigious society.

Rod

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Tom in TN

01-23-2005 23:14:40

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Rod (NH), 01-23-2005 20:46:24

Rod,

It sounds to me like you are arguing over the meaning of the word "is". CH falsely stated the characteristics of their product. It doesn't matter why the consumer chose that product. It doesn't matter what the consumer should have known. It doesn't matter how much the consumer was hurt by the false advertising. It doesn't matter what you think the consumer should or should not have considered when they bought the product. And it certainly doesn't matter how much the lawyers earned as a result of their efforts. CH lied about their product.

Our society is sinking into a morass of relativism as a result of the mentality that you expressed. "It isn't so bad, after all, everyone else is doing it too." You might not think so, but truth really does matter, and when it's breached it is right for the liar to be held accountable.

At least that's my opinion.

Tom in TN

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CNKS

01-23-2005 19:07:44

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to thurlow, 01-23-2005 18:48:03

Yeah, I have one that puts out 7.5 hp peak, maybe 5 continuous, I knew that when I bought it. I don't believe in frivolous lawsuits. I recieved the same notice -- had no interest in taking them up on it, all it does is raise the price of their products and make lawyers rich (richer).

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dr.sportster

01-25-2005 14:39:32

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to CNKS, 01-23-2005 19:07:44

CNKS, Exactly how I feel it is still alot of compressor for the ratings problem of the motor.Lawyers got rich and guys got a tool.Sue someone and next thing you know somebody else is sueing you.[No offense to the guys that took the free tool]

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Tom in TN

01-23-2005 19:24:18

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to CNKS, 01-23-2005 19:07:44

CNKS,

Here's a good offer for you. The next time you receive a notice for something like this that you don't want to take advantage of, let me know. I'll be glad to process the paperwork and take whatever comes from it.

Tom in TN

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Being Frank

01-24-2005 06:16:35

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 19:24:18

Tom Tom, Now you are sounding like you want something for nothing, thats what welfare is.

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Eddie in MI

01-23-2005 18:24:49

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 17:15:58

I just bought one of their compressors (actually a Husky, but manufactured by C/H). Do you have a website that gives the details?

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Tom in TN

01-23-2005 19:33:40

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Eddie in MI, 01-23-2005 18:24:49

Eddie,

Unfortunately, this deal is over. You had to have bought the product within a certain timeframe (about 3 to 5 years ago) and you had to file the paperwork by sometime around the end of last July. The case was settled around the October timeframe with the coupons being mailed to eligible recipients in December of 2004. The redemption period went through sometime in January of 2005.

I'm sure that CH has changed its false advertising so that it won't get into this same trouble in the future.

Good luck with your compressor.

Tom in TN

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Eddie in MI

01-23-2005 19:41:38

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Tom in TN, 01-23-2005 19:33:40

That's just as well. I was just curious, that's all. Mine seems to work well for me... no victim, no crime.

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Bob

01-23-2005 20:41:27

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Eddie in MI, 01-23-2005 19:41:38

I agree with you, Eddie! It's another case where a few lawyers and plaintiffs will reap rewards, at the cost, sooner or later of ALL of CH's customers.

'sides, if you're into mechanics deep enough to need an air compressor, you shouldn't have been fooled by the false ELECTRICALLY IMPOSSIBLE HP claims that were made!

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Bob

01-23-2005 20:42:54

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Bob, 01-23-2005 20:41:27

P.S.

I suppose vacuums are NEXT. Have you seen the HP claims on some of them???

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Davis In SC

01-23-2005 21:51:47

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Bob, 01-23-2005 20:42:54

I agree on Vacuums !!! 5 HP motor on my machining center weighs at least a hundred pounds, but a motor the size of my fist in a Vac is 6 HP.... I could never figure that one out... Do we all get a free Vac ???

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Weirsdale George

01-24-2005 03:23:26

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Davis In SC, 01-23-2005 21:51:47

The vacuum thing reminds of my central vacuum system in my house -- manufacturer requires a dedicated 20 amp wiring/circuit breaker. Although the manufacturer never mentioned horsepower, I always assumed it we at least 2 HP. I had to open up the housing to replace the electronic controller and found the motor to be stamped 1 HP! It does everything it is supposed to do, but it was my error in making an assumption based on the manufacturer's installation instructions.

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Rod (NH)

01-23-2005 20:59:02

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Bob, 01-23-2005 20:42:54

Hi Bob,

I don't know about vacuums but Sears has been misleading with HP on many of their electric tools for many years with the "2 hp, develops 3-1/4 hp" crap. BUYER BEWARE.

Rod

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Roger P.

01-24-2005 05:26:24

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Rod (NH), 01-23-2005 20:59:02

Don't forget the inflated power claims of a lot of stereo equipment nowadays. I remeber when a set of 400W speakers were as big as a apartment sized refrigerator, now, some of those tin-pot computer speakers that come pre-packaged with systems are being advertised as "600W PMPO". I guess PMPO is the same as a SPL hp compressor motor.

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720Deere

01-24-2005 13:07:18

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Re: Campbell Hausfeld lawsuit settlement in reply to Roger P., 01-24-2005 05:26:24

The rating listed on most stereo speakers is "peak" power. The true power rating is about half of that number.

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