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dr.sportster

01-22-2005 08:13:51




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When I worked in one machine shop the owner had done all air lines in copper.I thought it looked good and used copper for my basement shop.Is this a plumbing code violation or a saftey issue.




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Rod (NH)

01-22-2005 15:08:32




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 Re: Another shop air question in reply to dr.sportster, 01-22-2005 08:13:51  
Hi,

Copper water tube is an excellent choice for "normal" compressed air lines. "Normal" in this case means the common pressures of 175 psig or less seen in most shop compressed air systems and sizes one inch and less. Type L and type M are the common strengths that you find being used in plumbing and heating systems. Either is sufficient for compressed air, although the type L is a little heavier wall and would provide a better resistance to physical abuse. The issue with copper tube is the joints. The solder joints are the weak link in the system. The type of solder used determines the safe working pressure. The 50/50 tin-lead will work OK if you are positive the working temperature will always be 100-150 deg F or less. The 95/5 tin-antinomy is a much better choice to cover the possibility of higher temps. Even then, you should not use soldered joints of any kind between the compressor head and the tank. The temperatures are too high in that area. Sil-brazing or preferably fully mechanical joints would be the choice there. In fact, all the packaged compressors I have seen have copper w/mechanical joints between the compressor head and the storage tank.

I prefer copper because there are no corrosion products and it has a better heat transfer characteristic. It is also easy to install if one is reasonably proficient in soldering joints. The advantage of sched 40 steel pipe is that it provides significantly more protection from direct physical abuse than copper does. But you also have the threaded joints to deal with. I don't like messing with threaded joints, but that's just me. For most home-type shops the physical abuse issue is not likely a major consideration. Just stay away from PVC. That stuff is a serious safety hazard when used with compressed air. In fact, it is illegal in some areas (at least in commercial settings).

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Midwest redneck

01-22-2005 17:09:28




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 Re: Another shop air question in reply to Rod (NH), 01-22-2005 15:08:32  
Thanks for the info, I never really knew the story with compressed air lines with copper tube.



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Rod (NH)

01-22-2005 19:19:24




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 Re: Another shop air question in reply to Midwest redneck, 01-22-2005 17:09:28  
You're welcome. You don't have to take my word for it though. The absolute best information source on copper tube is the Copper Development Association's Copper Tube Handbook. It gives all the details on copper tube. Types, dimensions, working pressures, joints, soldering techniques, etc. Be patient however. For some reason the pages load really slow tonight - they almost appear like they're hanging but they're not.

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Copper..John,PA

01-22-2005 13:40:51




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 Re: Another shop air question in reply to dr.sportster, 01-22-2005 08:13:51  
I installed copper air lines in my shop. Type "L". 5/8 od. I brazed the joints and used 95/5 solder at the fittings. Works great. I am used to having 450# pressure on type "L" for refrigeration systems.



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Polizei

01-22-2005 13:16:05




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 Re: Another shop air question in reply to dr.sportster, 01-22-2005 08:13:51  
Is this a plumbing code violation or a saftey issue.

Who cares? - it"s your basement.



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dr.sportster

01-22-2005 20:51:13




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 Re: Another shop air question in reply to Polizei, 01-22-2005 13:16:05  
Because they pass overhead.I just didnt want to get bopped on the head by a flying air fitting.



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Charles (in GA)

01-22-2005 13:06:08




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 Re: Another shop air question in reply to dr.sportster, 01-22-2005 08:13:51  
I recall this being discussed several months ago here. There are about three weights or thicknesses of copper pipe. Seems to me they use letters to designate the wall thickness. Anyhow, someone familiar with them suggested to use (if I recall correctly) the middle weight of the pipe.

Charles



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Butcher

01-22-2005 11:51:27




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 Re: Another shop air question in reply to dr.sportster, 01-22-2005 08:13:51  
Was just wondering. What type of copper did he use? It sounds alot easier than cutting and threading pipe. Also, did he solder the fittings or flange? Thanks.



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snitkawl

01-22-2005 10:48:24




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 Re: Another shop air question in reply to dr.sportster, 01-22-2005 08:13:51  
No.



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dr.sportster

01-22-2005 11:30:14




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 Re: Another shop air question in reply to snitkawl, 01-22-2005 10:48:24  
Thank You



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