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Ron in Nebr

01-21-2005 21:52:18




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I have two buildings sitting about fifteen feet apart. I want to install hard lines for the air system in both buildings from one compressor using black pipe. Is there any reason a person can't just run a pipe from one building to the other? It gets cold around here in the wintertime- would the pipe need to be insulated? Or would it be best to bury it? Might want to bury it anyway just to keep it out of the way...

One building will be kept heated(the one the compressor's in) and the other will have a wood stove and only get heated prior to use.

Anything else I should be aware of in this type of situation?

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PJW

01-23-2005 06:20:26




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 Re: Another Shop Air Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 01-21-2005 21:52:18  
Ron,
Would it be too much trouble to valve the air off from the other building when not in use? My compressor has a 60 gallon tank. When not in use I turn the valve off and bleed the lines. MY shop is approximately 1000 sq.ft., unheated most of the time and I do not get water in the lines at the end use. The piping is in the ceiling with at least a dozen drops though out the shop. Possibly you could do the same by valving off the supply building and draining the line after use?

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fixerupper

01-22-2005 10:26:03




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 Re: Another Shop Air Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 01-21-2005 21:52:18  
I buried a 3/4" copper air line to another building and the only trouble I have had is water sitting in the line because I usually don't use enough volume to blow it out. Then when I sandblast and use a lot of air, I get water for awhile until it cleans out. Half inch would have been a better choice.



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KevinDM

01-22-2005 09:27:46




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 Re: Another Shop Air Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 01-21-2005 21:52:18  
If you ever plan on using this line to paint with, hard copper is a much better choice since it won't rust and ruin your paint jobs with black pepper specks. Install the line between the buildings with fall back to the compressor. After entering building #2 ell up then horizontally and then back down like an inverted "C", then run your line in building #2 with fall to a water trap. Run 20 to 30' if you can.

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Charles (in GA)

01-22-2005 13:12:33




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 Re: Another Shop Air Question in reply to KevinDM, 01-22-2005 09:27:46  
If you are going to bury it, use Sch 40 PVC, or better yet, Sch 80.

The problem with PVC is that if you impact it or something causes it to break, with pressure on it, it splinters and blows everywhere. Underground that isn't a problem and the rust caused by moisture with black iron is non-existance.

PVC is quite capable of holding the pressure.

Charles



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MarkB_MI

01-22-2005 05:56:20




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 Re: Another Shop Air Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 01-21-2005 21:52:18  
You will have trouble with water in the line. If you bury the line deep enough, the water won't freeze, but you won't be able to drain it out, either. If it's above ground, you can slope it and put in a drain at the low end. Insulating the pipe isn't going to help, it will still freeze if there's water in it.

What you might try doing is to dig a shallow pit in one of the buildings, say 2 feet deep. Bury the pipe 12 to 18 inches deep, sloping towards the pit. Install a drain at the pit end. The pipe won't freeze except in the coldest weather; as long as you keep it drained it won't freeze at all. Using larger pipe (3/4 or 1 inch) will allow the pipe to hold more water before it fills up.

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Midwest redneck

01-22-2005 02:11:38




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 Re: Another Shop Air Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 01-21-2005 21:52:18  
My 2 cents. If you could bury the line below the frost line then it sounds good. Use a 90 elbow coming out of the wall and go straight into the ground, 42" down and then 15feet across then up to the other building and go into the other building with a 90 elbow. I would not string the pipe fron one building to the other over head, too easy for a tractor or something to hit it.



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John K

01-22-2005 07:31:17




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 Re: Another Shop Air Question in reply to Midwest redneck, 01-22-2005 02:11:38  
It sure must be nice to be able to burry a line 42 inches so it won't freeze. Hear in Alberta the minimum is 8 feet, recommended is 10'.



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