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dr.sportster

01-15-2005 08:58:10




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When do you need lense shades other than a no.10? I would like to weld using reading glasses.As you age do you use a darker or lighter?When do you go to a #9 or #11 etc.This is for the old non-auto darkening welding helmets.How does it work on the auto darkening helmets?




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T_Bone

01-17-2005 02:53:27




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 Re: Welding helmet lenses in reply to dr.sportster, 01-15-2005 08:58:10  
Hi DSP,

Thought I'd repost my previous thoughts on welding hoods as I really have nothing new to add:

The most important part of a welding hood is the lens as it protects your eyes. Welding is very hard on your eyesight. I went from a minus 125 vision correction to minus 575 (coke bottles) in 20yrs of full time welding. I then backed off of full time welding(8hrs/day) to 8hrs/week for the next 10yrs then to couple welds a year for the next 10yrs and my vision in the past 10yrs has returned to minus 450. Not good but showing just how welding can effect your eyes.

There is a difference in a plastic lens and a all glass lens. A plastic lens will create a weld puddle distortion of two weld puddles with-in the lens area. One phoney weld puddle and the real weld puddle. This distortion can be best seen while Tig welding but is present under all types of welding. A all glass lens will stop the distortion. The best glass lens I found is called a Cool-Ray lens. The glass cool-ray lens has a layer of gold over the glass face. They cost about $60 eh but well worth it as your eyes will not be tired nor burned at the end of 8hrs of welding. Being there is a layer of gold on the outside of the lens, you want to use a fiber gasket, then a clear glass lens, then the glass cool-ray lens, then another clear glass lens on the inside. There is a gold colored plastic lens, this is not the correct lens!

Plastic corrective eye glasses will also give the weld puddle distrotion.

How can you tell if your eyes have been burned or your feeling the effects of welding? At night just before you fall asleep with your eyes closed you will feel a very warm feeling in your eyes. This is welding burn also called flash burn. Your eyes are telling you to do someting different!

Welding shade number:
I found over the years that a number 10 cool-ray is good for stick and Mig welding and a number 12 is good for Tig welding.

The best welding hood I've found is the Huntsman 411P. It's made from a lite weight fiber thats easy on the neck and cool on your face after 8hrs of welding. Plastic or fiberglass hoods will heat soak while welding where as the fiber hood will not heat soak. This will cause you to become tired easy thus letting your eyes wonder and not consentrating on the weld puddle.

Autodarkening welding hoods:
I'm not a fan of the auto hoods. One, they use a plastic lens and you get weld puddle distortion.

Two, there heavy and your neck will let you know it at the end of the day.

Three and the big one, what comes first to make the autodarken feature work? The ARC strike! so your eyes will pick-up a small amount of arc flash before the lens darkens.

So how do you tell where to stike the arc? Place your electrode next to where you going to strike the arc then flip down your hood, then strike the arc. With experience you will quickly master striking the arc where you want it.

T_Bone

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Harold Hubbard

01-16-2005 07:06:11




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 Re: Welding helmet lenses in reply to dr.sportster, 01-15-2005 08:58:10  
If you need reading glasses,not prescription, you can get a magnifying lense that goes right in your helmet, it works a lot better than readers because it covers the whole field of view. The only problem I've had with it is when I just flip up the shade and try to look at something a little too far away, for instance if I want to walk around what I'm welding on.



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big jt

01-15-2005 22:19:46




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 Re: Welding helmet lenses in reply to dr.sportster, 01-15-2005 08:58:10  
Some of the Auro darkening jobs have adjustable shades at least mine does.

If you do any welding more than basic farm maintenance they are worth the money. I got mine to use building the loading dock at Albert City Threshermens in Iowa and have been happy with it.

JM2CW

jt



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NC Wayne

01-15-2005 19:41:34




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 Re: Welding helmet lenses in reply to dr.sportster, 01-15-2005 08:58:10  
The #10 is a good shade for probably 99% of what most people are commonly gonna be doing. Now that's assuming that most of the welding your gonna do is in the 100+/- amp range with "medium size rods" like 1/8, or 5/32. If you are doing alot with extreemly small rods like 1/16 then you might need to step down to the #9 since the arc isn't gonna be bright enough for you to see like you need to through a #10. By the same token if your planning to do alot with say 1/4 inch rods or up, then it would be wise to go up to the #11 or darker. Like OLD says too, the gold plated lenses are great. I have a color deficiency, (not completely color blind but can't see some shades) and the green ones have never worked that good for me but the gold ones change the percieved colors and make it alot easier to see what I'm doing. To me the gold also makes the view through the #10 gold seems as good or better as it is through a #9 green. As for wearing glasses, I've welded with both my glasses and with my contacts and have never seen where the eyeware makes a difference unless your wearing bi-focals like my dad. The main problem he has is being able to use the right part of the lense and still see when the area your actually looking through is so small. He compinsates some by only using a #9 lens just to make it easier to see. As for the difference between the #9 and #10, just doing general repair type welding where your not under the shield but a few minutes at a time I don't think you'd have any problems using just a #9 if that's what you wanted. But everybodies eyes are different so the first time you strike an arc you should know if the shield isn't dark enough or is too dark and then you can go up or down from there. Just my .02 hope it helps.

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Hermit

01-15-2005 11:13:58




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 Re: Welding helmet lenses in reply to dr.sportster, 01-15-2005 08:58:10  
Here's a website that has the suggested lenses for the different types of welding.

http://www.awesco.com/sections/welding/SafetyNotes/WS.html



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old

01-15-2005 09:36:08




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 Re: Welding helmet lenses in reply to dr.sportster, 01-15-2005 08:58:10  
Not sure which one you might need sort of depends on your eyes. I use and have used the high dollor lens, these are gold plated ones 24 crate gold and these work very good.



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dr.sportster

01-17-2005 09:25:38




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 Re: Welding helmet lenses in reply to old, 01-15-2005 09:36:08  
Thanks,good advice.Have naver seen a tool store with replacement eyeballs.Thanks again.



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