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needle scaler vs concrete floor

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diggerdave

01-07-2005 12:54:12




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Hi all-well I made a mistake on my garage floor that was poured last april. Long story short- I never noticed til now since we are getting snow that it was not "broom swept" as the finish. As a result I have a really great looking floor that is slippery as you know what with the slightest amount of snow on it. So what are my options to get a little traction. Cheepest would be to throw sand down but that has a habit of getting tracked into the house ( a wife no-no..) Im leery of paint w grit since the floor is not cured and would likey peel. A few yards of strategically placed green turf carpet might work. Also leery of the needle scaler option. Anyone have any other thoughts such as an etching acid? Hate to ruin a beautiful floor but i gotta be safe.. thanks and have a good day. thanks dave

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Jay (ND)

01-08-2005 21:35:07




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 Re: needle scaler vs concrete floor in reply to diggerdave, 01-07-2005 12:54:12  
Muratic Acid will give you just what you want for pennies.



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ScottP

01-08-2005 12:00:12




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 Re: needle scaler vs concrete floor in reply to diggerdave, 01-07-2005 12:54:12  
Diggerdave
Have you ever seen what a can of coke will do to a cement floor.
I work in a large warehouse and our floor is etched where ever they store the soda.
Clear out the garage and pour a six pac of coke on the floor spread it out with a broom. Leave it on for a day or two then rinse off to check progress. Reapply until you get the finish you want. Cheaper and not as hazardous as acid.
Scott

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DAVE NE IOWA

01-07-2005 21:22:50




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 Re: needle scaler vs concrete floor in reply to diggerdave, 01-07-2005 12:54:12  
The sand for the paint is simple silica sand-the same sand used in sandblasters, you can get it in numerous grits. You could use miratic acid to wash it first then just let it sit a little longer to pit up your floor. I certianly can not express how important it would be to dilute it down and make more applications till you get the results you want. Another option is after the clean up with the diluted acid. Take portland cement powder only(NOT PREMIXED WITH SAND) mixed with silica sand. Make it like a cow on fresh pasture, (add water to your mix frequently and stir again (called temporing) as it thickens in the bucket.It usualy thickens in the bottom 1/3 of the bucket as it sets. Then just paint it on, we have used a big roller made for blacktop sealer, it probably is 18 inches wide. You must clean your floor of all oil first as acid will not have much cleaning power at all. If you indeed want a broom finish get a fine stranded push broom, spray a little fuel oil or diecel fuel on your broom then get rid of all exess from the bristles (BRUSH IT OUT WELL) The oil keeps cement from sticking to your broom for easy clean up later. Wet your floor --no puddles---Pour your sand / water/ portland mixture on one side and simply pull all the excess gobbs towards the other side in a thin membrane/ sweep backwards towards your feet and avoid backing yourself into a corner. Bounce your broom on a undone area to clean it as you make the final pull to get rid of any ripples. The thinner the mix the easyier. This is extreemly inexpensive to do, We get free silica sand as we are a few miles from a old silica mine, but a fine masons sand will work as long as it is clean as it should be. Experiment in a small area first.Let it sit a day or two and make sure it is what you want. When using acid remember rubber gloves, goggles and (WELL VENTILATED) the stuff is bad crap and will burn your lungs / eyes / and skin. We use a all plastic hand pump lawn sprayer that must be flushed afterwards. KEEP A GARDEN HOSE CHARGED JUST IN CASE and flush your skin with lots of water. It is best to put silica / portland on a very humid rainny day as if it dries fast it will get hair line cracks in it. We do this alot with old floors that have had salt, tractor chains, as well as pitted floors from animal waste. If you have a bo bo in the original floor you can patch it first then apply this membrane over the whole works. This can be applied probably 1/4" and not a whole lot thicker. Keep the finished floor moist with a fine mist of water as needed. Close all doors to keep from drying as you would fresh pored concrete, the slower any concrere dries the stronger the floor. Good luck Dave NE IOWA

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kyhayman

01-07-2005 20:36:59




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 Re: needle scaler vs concrete floor in reply to diggerdave, 01-07-2005 12:54:12  
Use rolled asphault roofing for walkway. Our state fairgrounds (and the North American Livestock Show)is all enclosed and all slick finished concrete. When they bring in the cows they use it for them to walk on.



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bo

01-07-2005 13:45:08




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 Re: needle scaler vs concrete floor in reply to diggerdave, 01-07-2005 12:54:12  
two part epoxy paint. I think mine was Rustoleum....I painted it when the floor was only 3 mths old...need to put muriatic acid on it to etch it..then mix the paint and have at it. The paint has been down now for 5 years and looks like the day I put it down. Only places bad are where I dropped stuff and chipped the concrete. That's minor. There is nothing in this world that is gonna make that paint come up.

You want non slip....they also sell a sand for that paint. I didn't want the sand...makes it a whole lot easier to sweep.. it is slick when wet but it's not wet that often and I tend to watch where I put my feet.

Paint is a bit pricy but well worth it. You won't regret it..Loews, HD. figured out to about $25/gal. Used 4 gals on 1200sq ft.

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Ol Chief

01-07-2005 20:44:35




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 Re: needle scaler vs concrete floor in reply to bo, 01-07-2005 13:45:08  
If you are only concerned with having a walkway on that smooth floor,there are adhesive backed pads that look and feel just like emery cloth.They are almost indestructable once applied Those I have seen are 6"x 24" with radiused corners for a neat appearance.They are used on board ships in many spots where heavy foot traffic causes polishing of steel decks and also in galleys where grease spills are a hazard.I would imagine this material is available from restaraunt supply shops or certainly Mc Master-Carr or WW GRAINGER.Since the pads are black they will attract heat and help with snow removal.

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Ol Chief

01-07-2005 20:18:44




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 Re: needle scaler vs concrete floor in reply to bo, 01-07-2005 13:45:08  
If you are only concerned with having a walkway on that smooth floor,there are adhesive backed pads that look and feel just like emery cloth.They are almost indestructable once applied Those I have seen are 6"x 24" with radiused corners for a neat appearance.The are used on board ships in many spots where heavy foot traffic causes polishing of steel decks and also in galleys where grease spills are a hazard.I would imagine this material is available from restaraunt supply shops or certainly Mc Master-Carr or WW GRAINGER.Since the pads are black they will attract heat and help with snow removal.

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