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transits--Laser vs. Optical

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Stoker

12-26-2004 11:17:54




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I want a transit, or at lest a level, mostly for outdoor use. Cost about $300. Can I get a cheap laser rotary, with mutiple beams, and use it outdoors for footings etc, and also for plumbing 20' wood posts, in post and beam construction? Cost is about $100. Other than being cheap, it could be used indoors, and seems to me, would be great for laying concrete block. I am not a contractor, and am building for myself. If you are for one or the other option, please make a specific recomendation, brands and models. Thanks.
Walt

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Wynn

12-27-2004 08:51:01




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Stoker, 12-26-2004 11:17:54  
One of the best features with a good quality laser level (vs. a transit) is that it takes only one person to set it up and establish a level line, dig a level or sloped ditch, etc. This feature alone can pay for the unit in a short time.



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Stoker

12-27-2004 16:47:23




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Wynn, 12-27-2004 08:51:01  
Wynn,
That's a good thought. I usually work alone, and not needing a second person would be nice. There were serveral good comments on my question. I am going to have to think it out.
Walt



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Wynn

12-28-2004 09:31:10




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Stoker, 12-27-2004 16:47:23  
The reason I bought the laser level in the first place was to level a 90 by 160 ft building site for a barn. I set up the laser and took the sensor and stick with me on the tractor I was using to grade and level out the fill. All I had to do was stop the tractor, grab the sensor/stick and hold it up so I could see how close I was to the final grade. I didn't even have to get off the tractor to check. I have also used it to set a slope for a drainage ditch - you don't use it in the level mode, you set your slope by measuring both ends of the path of the ditch and adjusting the laser to get the fall you want with and then using the sensor/stick to follow the line as you dig...

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Stoker

12-30-2004 16:49:33




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Wynn, 12-28-2004 09:31:10  
Wynn,
What price range is you equipment in? Would you mind sharing the make/model, if it is anywhere near the range of an inexpensive optical unit? That's probably about $250 to $350. Are you still happy with it? Walt



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MrGadget

12-27-2004 07:35:57




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Stoker, 12-26-2004 11:17:54  
Wonder how I ever poured a flooting or even dug a ditch without a Transit/Level.

After discovering that the rental houses wanted $25 to rent a transit level for a day, and knowing I would need to use one for more than a single day, I searched all over town, looked at new and used, and the best economy I came up with was available from Sears... The Craftsman "builder's transit level" is listed in their catalog at $339.99 including tripod and stick.

This appeared to be $50 cheaper than even a "used" unit offered by a local rental company. I would have bought it then and there but it is a catalog item not normally stocked in stores.

I went back to Mennards with intentions of buyuing the $40 laser level. But while there, I noticed they had a CST/Berger Model 136 that appeared to be IDENTICAL to the Craftsman unit for under $289.95.

I am convinced that the Craftsman unit is made for Sears by CST/Berger. I have never been sorry I bought the CST/Berger. It has more than paid for itself in saved rental fees. Gadget

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Stoker

12-27-2004 16:53:11




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to MrGadget, 12-27-2004 07:35:57  
MrGadget,
On balance, I believe the responses faver the optical equipment when the price rance I want is factored in. Thanks for the tip on the Berger Model 136.
Walt



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Kevin (FL)

12-27-2004 06:39:06




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Stoker, 12-26-2004 11:17:54  
Stoker,

I am from the old school and prefer the builder's level (CST Berger or equal) for outdoor use. My son & I recently built a pole shed for our church and one of the members insisted on using his newly bought laser level to set up the benchmarks on the poles. When I saw what he had, I told him I would shoot the marks with our builder's level as his level was a small unit good for picture hanging or something inside. I liked the laser marks for convenience, but the level vials were so small, it's very easy to think you're producing a level or plumb line only to find out you're 3/8" out in 40 feet. There are good and bad laser units and good and bad builder's levels and the bottom line is that the user must know the limitations of the equipment and use it accordingly. I've found that most leveling errors (not counting "unsquare" foundation layouts) occur when the user doesn't perform the leveling process accurately--usually in one direction. If you just "gotta have" the laser beam for laying out your blocks, then go with that, but I would look closely at setup functions and leveling accuracy over the distances you'll be needing.

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Stoker

12-27-2004 17:00:58




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Kevin (FL), 12-27-2004 06:39:06  
Kevin,
Experienced opinion is what I wanted, and what I got. See the other comments. I am now leaning towards optical. Thanks,
Walt



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evielboweviel

12-26-2004 18:12:52




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Stoker, 12-26-2004 11:17:54  
all depends on what accuracy you want. compare and then decide what to buy.
on lasers strength of signal and cost of remote signal detector along with accuracy
Ron



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Stoker

12-27-2004 17:05:33




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to evielboweviel, 12-26-2004 18:12:52  
evielboweviel,
See my response thanking the others who shared their experience. Perhaps for the money, my best bet is optical, as you may be suggesting. Thanks.
Walt



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evielboweviel

12-27-2004 17:55:35




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Stoker, 12-27-2004 17:05:33  
I have a good optical unit, with compensator/autolevel.
However still looking and one day will buy a laser. Need another big project to justify one. Now all projects are too small to justify a good laser.
Point I was trying to make was to compare accuracy of units, as dollars go up so does accuracy of unit laser or optical. DON'T SKIMP buy the best you can justify.
good luck
Ron



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Andy C.

12-26-2004 15:40:51




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Stoker, 12-26-2004 11:17:54  
Hi Walt,
Have had a chance to use several different machines. I think you will find that one of the things you get as the laser gets more expensive is a brighter (more powerful) laser beam. The easier it will be able to see its beam or dot at greater distances with brighter lighting (outdoors). Some of the less expensive units just don't get it outside in the daylight for distances past 10 feet or so. (even with the little red glasses to help you see the mark easier)
Andy

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Stoker

12-27-2004 17:11:07




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 Re: transits--Laser vs. Optical in reply to Andy C., 12-26-2004 15:40:51  
Andy,
Thanks for sharing. My feeling is that most responders prefer optical, except perhaps for more expensive laser units. Someday, prehaps lasers will be the best all around, but I can't wait, so will be looking for a resonable optical unit. Walt



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