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Bill

10-31-1998 08:47:11




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I currently have a small gas welder, and arc welder. No I'm not a good wleder,, but seem to be able to get by. I'm considering a wire welder for light stuff. Seem to burn right through it with arc. Problem is I would rather not spend a lot as this is a hobby typr thing. Can someone give me a clear cut reason as to why to go or not go with a machine that only handles the flux coated wire. I know the wire at the onset seems to be more expensive, but it seems if you take into account the cost of the gas and uncoated wire the prices start to get back in line. Also the flux machines seem to be a lot less expensive. What amperage and wire size should I be looking at for welding body panels.

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Wild Bill

11-02-1998 19:20:08




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 Re: Wire Welders in reply to Bill, 10-31-1998 08:47:11  
: I currently have a small gas welder, and arc welder. No I'm not a good wleder,, but seem to be able to get by. I'm considering a wire welder for light stuff. Seem to burn right through it with arc. Problem is I would rather not spend a lot as this is a hobby typr thing. Can someone give me a clear cut reason as to why to go or not go with a machine that only handles the flux coated wire. I know the wire at the onset seems to be more expensive, but it seems if you take into account the cost of the gas and uncoated wire the prices start to get back in line. Also the flux machines seem to be a lot less expensive. What amperage and wire size should I be looking at for welding body panels.

I have a 110v mig for light stuff and that little bottle lasts me a LONG time.

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Jim WI

11-02-1998 11:00:21




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 Re: Wire Welders in reply to Bill, 10-31-1998 08:47:11  
I own a Miller Weldpac 100. This is a 100amp wire feed welder that can be converted to MIG with the addition of a kit. The welder runs about $300 at the local Fleet Farm.


I've used mine for body work -- it's not ideal but does get the job done. A friend of mine has the same welder with the gas kit installed and he swears by it -- says he wouldn't use anything else for body work (he restored a Trans Am recently after getting the kit installed).


If I were going to do much body work, I'd buy the conversion kit. For everything else, the flux core wire works well

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OldKyJim

11-02-1998 10:40:45




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 Re: Wire Welders in reply to Bill, 10-31-1998 08:47:11  
A MIG welder is the ONLY way to go with body panels. They're very versatile -- besides welding, I have an attachment to allow me to heat a panel, which is handy for shrinking stretch panels.

I've used both the gas and flux-coated wire, and the gas is superior for welding sheet metal. The welds are so much cleaner with gas that you have little to do other than grind them down flush. Flux-coated wire leaves lots of flux and splatter (at least my welding does!).

Its worth the money to get a quality one; the one I bought 15 years ago is still plugging away, but I paid major bucks back then.

Consider it an investment!

Jim

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DaveM

11-01-1998 18:35:03




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 Re: Wire Welders in reply to Bill, 10-31-1998 08:47:11  
Bill:
Get the best unit you can afford. I'd look real hard at Miller or Lincoln, they both make light duty MIG machines that do very nicely and will hold up well.
Get the gas units!!! Flux wire is great for heavy metal as it will dig in better but for normal use (read under 1/2") and nice looking welds that will clean up you need gas!
This is really not an option for body work and it isn't any more expensive after you take the quality welds into consideration. I'm a sheet metal fabricator by trade and also have a small Lincoln at my home for hobby work. In the 3 years I've had it I've only used my buzz box about twice (some real heavy stuff).
Love that wire.

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Bill in VA

11-01-1998 18:00:27




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 Re: Wire Welders in reply to Bill, 10-31-1998 08:47:11  

: I currently have a small gas welder, and arc welder. No I'm not a good wleder,, but seem to be able to get by. I'm considering a wire welder for light stuff. Seem to burn right through it with arc. Problem is I would rather not spend a lot as this is a hobby typr thing. Can someone give me a clear cut reason as to why to go or not go with a machine that only handles the flux coated wire. I know the wire at the onset seems to be more expensive, but it seems if you take into account the cost of the gas and uncoated wire the prices start to get back in line. Also the flux machines seem to be a lot less expensive. What amperage and wire size should I be looking at for welding body panels.

I have a small shop and do a fair amount of body panel replacement on antique cars. I have an oxy-acetylene torch, a 230 amp arc welder, and a 140 amp wire feed welder made by Daytona Mig. The torch does about 2% of my work, the arc welder about 3%, and the wire feed the other 95%. It uses .023 uncoated wire. The "B" size tank of Argon-CO2 (about 2 feet tall) lasts me about 10 hours of welding for $14.50. My machine makes me wonder why I even keep the others around at all. It is, as they say, MILES ahead of whatever is in second place. Cost was about $600 including a 10 lb roll of wire and a bottle of gas. Worth every penny, in my opinion. Might be just what you need. Hope my 2 cents worth will help you.

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Sign Man

11-03-1998 17:20:30




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 Re: Re: Wire Welders in reply to Bill in VA, 11-01-1998 18:00:27  
: : : I currently have a small gas welder, and arc welder. No I'm not a good wleder,, but seem to be able to get by. I'm considering a wire welder for light stuff. Seem to burn right through it with arc. Problem is I would rather not spend a lot as this is a hobby typr thing. Can someone give me a clear cut reason as to why to go or not go with a machine that only handles the flux coated wire. I know the wire at the onset seems to be more expensive, but it seems if you take into account the cost of the gas and uncoated wire the prices start to get back in line. Also the flux machines seem to be a lot less expensive. What amperage and wire size should I be looking at for welding body panels.

: I have a small shop and do a fair amount of body panel replacement on antique cars. I have an oxy-acetylene torch, a 230 amp arc welder, and a 140 amp wire feed welder made by Daytona Mig. The torch does about 2% of my work, the arc welder about 3%, and the wire feed the other 95%. It uses .023 uncoated wire. The "B" size tank of Argon-CO2 (about 2 feet tall) lasts me about 10 hours of welding for $14.50. My machine makes me wonder why I even keep the others around at all. It is, as they say, MILES ahead of whatever is in second place. Cost was about $600 including a 10 lb roll of wire and a bottle of gas. Worth every penny, in my opinion. Might be just what you need. Hope my 2 cents worth will help you.
When calling on a client generally, a farmer, everyone wants a wire welder. The fact is that you need to look at where you are going use the welder. Inside vs. Outside. (in a drafty area) Gas will provide the most consistent weld, however, it will give poor performance in a windy situation. The other major concern is will it only be used for sheet metal, or will you be like 99% of the owners of wire welders and want to weld beyond its capacity.
Remember many of your 110 wire welders will have a 10-30% duty cycle depending on their size and quality. Those 100 amp units are maxed at 3/16" as compared to the 130-140 units will handle 1/4". Step up to the 220v 200amp you are maxed at 3/8". 250 amp at 1/2". If you elect for one of the small wire welders be sure your polarity is hooked up properly. When using gas you need to reverse the polarity in the machine if it was originally set up for flux core. Check your warranties. Century offers 5 years as compared to 1-3 on all others.

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